Don't really know what to do. Vs a flush we're dead. I actually don't think most people bluff here at PLO5 but just give up if they don't have a flush. Still, spr~1 so it's possible that he does gii lighter. So, any thoughts?

don't think we can let it go with a club in our hand

i definitely see some guys just insta ship in these spots with any AA, be it with a blocker or not.

on the other hand i also see guys play this way with the nuts. kinda looks bluffy when they do it so i guess i can't really blame them. they might be missing out on some value but idk, with spr 1 betting like 1/4 pot looks kinda trappy&value tho

def think a bare Ac blocker is bluffing here _always_, not sure they use this sizing but looks like the perfect spot to take down the pot, and surely they should do this if we're folding turbowraps and whatnot.

how'd you play your hand if you were the 4bettor?
a)with nuts
b)with Ac blocker
c)naked AA?

a) With nuts i would difinitely check to induce, we don't really need any protection.
b) Don't think i would use the nutblocker here as spr~1 so any flush would gii anyway
c) Would probably just x/f naked AA because i don't expect many people to bluff or to gii with say 2pair, if villain checks back probably gii on safe turns
I guess that sounds about right

Do you really think having the Jc is relevant?

Easy fold preflop against the 4bet. If you take anything from reviewing this hand, let it be this. It will influence your winrate much more than figuring out monotone flops in 4bet pots just because it comes up much more often.

As played, we need to go with our hand on the flop. We flopped enough equity against his range to stackoff. He might not always play naked AA this way, but the same can be said about nut flushes.

define relevant

a) i like
b) so you're trying to check it down in this spot? dislike
c) same thing.... dislike

expecting ppl not to bluff is a horrible approach imo. pretty sure this spot is an easy shove / small bet would be fun too.with most of our range due to people continuing with so tight ranges and giving up their eq when not. a ds hand flops a flush 20 percent of the time i believe so if they only continue with this + sets betting is ridic profitable

aww pheerox do we really havve to fold pre? buuuuutttt daaaad, hand is soooo purdy :/
but yeah youre probly right, will check ppt when i have my comp...

It's probably one of the worst hands in Hero's 3betting range in terms of how it performs against 4bets. Post your PPT results here if you end up doing a simulation.

fo sho, i was just trying to be cute


stuff i looked in ppt:

hero vs AA** 38,47 / 61,53

hero vs 4% 35,91 / 64,09

hero vs 5% 35,39 / 64,61

...

hero vs 10% 35,71

not too thrilled about our odds after looking at these tbh still gonna stay on the side of sticking in the monies, gotta go gto or go home in 2015 yo. sometimes we have 0% but that doesn't really matter

if i just type in X% in ppt does it then simulate hero's hand vs. the top X% according to the hot/cold distribution of hands?

not that i really know what the hot/cold distribution actually is... just see it posted around a lot. but i guess it's like the best hands in a vacuum -- discounting the playability and whatnot?

EDIT:
preflop we have 31,1% vs AA**... so yeah abandon ship fo sho. absolutely no need to try and flop enough eq to stack off. SPR is gonna be less than one and our opponent will&should shove any flop so we don't really have an edge there, lol.

Relevant as in would (not) having the Jc (or any club that's not the Ac) lead you to make a different decision? For me it wouldn't.

Yeah thanks for pointing this out, actually way more important

Not trying to x down, but if i only have the nut blocker and no pair i don't think we have fold equity vs almost any pair or better.

c) I guess always x/f AAxx is indeed bad thinking about it now, but i still feel like most people are more likely to play a non flush passively

Having the jack of clubs actually does matter here. Without it, villain would have few percentages more flushes in his range. Since our equity against those is 0 and we we're already in a close spot, it might be enough to turn this into a fold