Villain seems competent,but bit strange, opening 89% from SB after 1.1k hand, I guess he came from Ongame^^ and only 39% WWSF. We have been battling a lot the last couple of sessions and spewing around.His pot chr is wtf otf?

€2/€4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 Players
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Stacks:
UTG (€475.70) 119bb
CO (€825.90) 206bb
BTN (€179.60) 45bb
SB (€870.80) 218bb
Hero (BB) (€908.70) 227bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 5 players) Hero is BB A K 7 9
3 folds, SB raises to €12, Hero raises to €36, SB calls €24

Flop: 5 K K (€72, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets €26.50, SB raises to €151.50, Hero calls €125

Turn: 3 (€375, 2 players)
SB bets €375, €375 to Hero (€721.2)?

Lol this hand really deserves a thread just check fold flop looool

Real decision is made on flop as there is choice of two lines.
1) 4bet flop and call possible all-in.
2) call flop and commit all your chips at turn.

If Villain can get out of line I prefer number 2 as it extracts more value form worse kings or severely overplayed aces.

lol

He's got 5s. Ship it on the turn and move on.

Yeah, thats why I said, very fishy chr sizing and potting the turn wtf. Before that he hasnt done any particular bad iirc. Yeah when he potted the turn, my question was that,will he ever do that w a weak Kx which he overvalues? Well, I ended up jamming and he had 3552ss.

I know he has done 3-4 big mistakes in this hand, which a competent reg would never do, so I might have to recategorize him, as a regfish, who is sometimes random and focusing a lot on vacuum plays.

Flatting flop with his sizing should be pretty obvious you have K.

CIB gives the possible illusion you might be bluffing, especially given your recent history with villain.

CIB on flop.

Your goal should be to GII whenever he's ready and not worry that he might have K5 or 55.

^^ +1

@OP, if v takes the agg line bs he knew you have k, then he is not as fishy as you org estimated.

- 89% bvb open (even if the 1.1k hands are an amalgam of aliases for the same player including a ton of ongame action, which i dont think is what youre saying?), chk pot flop, pot turn, all argue against him being competent.

- flop 3b v flat is tricky because on one hand its obv advantageous to keep air in your range and given action the only way you can do that is to 3b, but on the other its far from clear that hes thinking in those terms, or indeed thinking at all, in which case the best course of action is to make the best vacuum play. id imagine hes more likely to bet Kxxx and c/r AKXX,K5XX,55XX,the occasional rando spew, which obv argues for calling.

- in my experience most people give way too much weight to the fact that you have an aggro dynamic in entirely diff spots where both your ranges are way less polarised and board texture allows for a lot more marginal eq bluff/semibluffs. even the spewiest of lagtards have it a lot when they take this line on this board texture. it wouldnt surprise me if youre behind vs his chk/pot flop, pot turn range, assuming that he isnt on raging tilt or steamed that youve beaten him every pot youve played in the last hour or w/e.

very good point from you as always.

Think we can agree on he is never bluffing on the turn.

This is a pretty ez call flop fold turn imo.

The dynamic does not really matter here, since he is capped to K5xx, 55xx. It's a clear fold on the turn.

Can't see how we could ever call this turn expecting to see a profit in the long run.

Like validand, i also agree that people put way to much weight on dynamics, than simply thinking the hands through. He is not bluffing, we didnt bink the turn, fold.

fold turn. could be getting freerolled. or drawing v slim.

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Personally I think that flop is good for c/r a 3 bet pot since there's alot of hands hu you'll be 3 betting in pos without a K, and you're c betting everytime you miss. after his turn bet it's safe to say you're beat most of the time. Personally I think checking back on th flop is solid because he'll lead alot of turns, and you aren't worried on any turn cards. Betting the flop, you're only getting value from a Weaker K that could improve or a pp that will fold the turn.

i don't see people craising with this sizing in a allready big pot as a bluff...


I do barrel turns often after i bluffraise the flop, and make money in this spots.

Would you bet Quads here or wait for a safe turn? He could easily have a doublebackdoorstraightflushdraw. With A and 9 as blockers i prefer a bet.

And Value from Bluffs/Floats.



So your Gameplan is to checkbehind Trips and Aces, but bluffing everytime you miss?

omfg.....

Sure when you bluff raise the flop you continue on the turn often, but in this spot after you call a full pot reraise it's pretty obvious you have a K so when he pots the turn it's obvious he isn't bluffing. I was pretty sure villain had 55 even before hero told us that's what he had. The bet sizing is too big to want alot of action, but also too big to be bluffing. And against most players of course I'm checking back with quads, there is 1 hand on the flop to pay me off with, other than that I need to let them catch up, or bluff me. Against stronger players of course I bet often, but weaker players as a general rule aren't going to go nuts without even a draw, you make more money checking. You need to balance your range, you can't bet this flop every time or you're exploitable, and you can't check behind everytime either. It all depends on who is in the hand with you.