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12-30-2011 , 01:17 PM
Villain was pretty loose and aggressive 52/21 preflop stats.

I only had a small sample on him, but he appeared to be passive on the river (not much evidence for this though)

I think I should be betting the flop, I guess I didn't because I underestimated my equity against his range.

As played, what do you think of a call on the river?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($21.38)
BB ($24.65)
UTG ($32.23)
CO ($33.59)
Hero ($40.74)

Dealt to Hero A Q 9 J

fold, CO raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.90, fold, fold, CO calls $2.05

FLOP ($6.15) 8 7 9

CO checks, Hero checks

TURN ($6.15) 8 7 9 9

CO bets $4, Hero calls $4

RIVER ($14.15) 8 7 9 9 2

CO bets $11, Hero
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12-30-2011 , 01:38 PM
Call again? Thats a blank, all the flush draws whiffed, and you showed weakness already.
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12-30-2011 , 01:42 PM
b/c flop

As played, I think I'm raising turn, but I don't think calling is that bad. More I think about it, more I seem to like calling

I'm folding river, given reads and his betsize. Our hand has pretty much the same value as QQxx here against his likely range, and the only thing I could see from him that we beat is a turn semi bluff that decided to bet the river overly big when the card bricked. Moreover, he shouldn't be semibluffing as often because of the nature of the turn card
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12-30-2011 , 01:52 PM
I am probably calling river, I expect he can have missed draws and be bluffing, have like KK and try and bet you off AA, I expect him to bet air.

You can consider betting flop as well.

You can consider raising river, since you block many FH's and have some FE vs a straight (56 esp) but with stack sizes and your flop check, it is less credible.
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12-30-2011 , 01:54 PM
bet flop

fold river now.
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12-30-2011 , 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yrmom
b/c flop

As played, I think I'm raising turn, but I don't think calling is that bad. More I think about it, more I seem to like calling

I'm folding river, given reads and his betsize. Our hand has pretty much the same value as QQxx here against his likely range, and the only thing I could see from him that we beat is a turn semi bluff that decided to bet the river overly big when the card bricked. Moreover, he shouldn't be semibluffing as often because of the nature of the turn card
I am gonna think about turn raise, but I call there most of the time.

I disagree, re his turn betting range. Villain is pretty loose agressive 50/25 ish, hero is prob a tag, I expect this villain to bet that turn a huge percent, very wide, when hero checks back in a 3b pot since our hand looks so weak and when a tag 3bettor checks back that board he is usually check giving up.
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12-30-2011 , 04:46 PM
Pretty sure he's not betting turn "super wide". We know nothing about the guy except his preflop stats.

He shouldn't be betting air on the turn often at all as he will expect to get called by the "obvious" AAxx. What's left is draws. Not many straight draws, T9xx should c/c river unless he has a boat or he plays ******ed.

If he's a knowledgeable player he might bet turn with a FD planning to barrel river blanks, but there aren't many diamond draws he can do this with since we have the Qd and Jd in our hand. At 25PLO I won't ever assume a player is this good. Also, his river sizing is pretty value-betty.

Lastly, I think turn is a raise/call after I think about it. We can't really make a mistake doing that, but we might make mistakes on some rivers and we give him the possibility to realize equity with some hands by just calling.
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12-30-2011 , 05:56 PM
Why raise turn? We basically prevent him from bluffing river and investing more money with a worse hand. He will fold everything we beat and raise boats and mb straights. Getting 3bet here sucks bigtime b/c our equity vs a boat is not that great.
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12-30-2011 , 06:00 PM
Def. not raising turn.
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12-30-2011 , 06:16 PM
Call.
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12-30-2011 , 06:55 PM
Agree with calling the river. If u don't cbet otf then I would expect your flop cb % is low and villian would donk more often with straights.

Last edited by jrfool99; 12-30-2011 at 07:01 PM.
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12-30-2011 , 08:40 PM
villain thinks you have AA and is even vbetting donkeystraights
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