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12-09-2014 , 05:23 AM
Is this a good spot to try this?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BTN: $30.56
SB: $52.14
BB: $16.74
Hero (UTG): $43.84
MP: $170.07
CO: $27.05

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with 6 T 9 7
Hero raises to $0.50, MP raises to $1.85, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.35

Flop: ($5.80) 8 Q 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $3.25, SB folds, Hero calls $3.25

Turn: ($12.30) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $8
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12-09-2014 , 08:04 AM
Why are you "bluffing" when you have a flush? Do you really think he is folding better hands than yours?

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Consider his range of hands. He 3bet you preflop. On this board he's likely to be crushing you with QQ, KK or AA with flush, or a higher flush than you in general. I don't think these hands fold to your turn bet.

He might have been bluffing on the flop with the Ah blocker possibly or just doing a standard cbet in 3bet pot. These hands you already beat, it's only going to be complicated if he's tricky and capable of barreling.

Then you also got to consider what hands he could put you on. There's really no 4's in your range at all, or 88 since you raised UTG unless you're really loose and open premium 88 there, so you're basically saying you got QQ here, and tbh of the QQ most regs only open premium QQ from UTG, so then that narrows your range even more. But then if you had QQ would you really just bet out? With any of the hands in his range I listed above I would definitely be calling this turn bet seeing as QQ is the only hand you're really repping here.

Overall it doesn't seem like a good bluffing spot to me.

Last edited by Xptboy; 12-09-2014 at 08:17 AM.
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12-09-2014 , 09:30 AM
problem is you can't rep much (QQxx,88xx, 84xx - less likely) so not the best bluffing scenario.

also you have a flush and instead of choosing to try and go for a cheap showdown you try to bluff at the pot. if he calls and a non A/K hits the river, you have to bet again and hope he doesn't call. so you're investing like ~33$ more (assumed 25$ river bet) into the pot then you should have (unless he s aggro and then if he bets turn you call :P)

another point, if my calculations are right, spr > 1 on the river with that turn sizing which is not good. should be <1. so we can shove. if we bluff river. and we should if we bluff turn. and he's not shoving on our turn bet.
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12-09-2014 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Xptboy
Then you also got to consider what hands he could put you on. There's really no 4's in your range at all, or 88 since you raised UTG unless you're really loose and open premium 88 there, so you're basically saying you got QQ here, and tbh of the QQ most regs only open premium QQ from UTG, so then that narrows your range even more.

But then if you had QQ would you really just bet out? With any of the hands in his range I listed above I would definitely be calling this turn bet seeing as QQ is the only hand you're really repping here.
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Originally Posted by Alienatu
problem is you can't rep much (QQxx,88xx, 84xx - less likely) so not the best bluffing scenario.
Analyze this spot with PPT or PokerJuice. Not being able to rep much definitely isn't a problem. QQ alone should be >15% of OP's flop calling range.

The problem is more simple: OP should have plenty of better bluff candidates in his range -- weaker hands with better blockers. Q8 is pretty much enough.
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12-09-2014 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
Analyze this spot with PPT or PokerJuice. Not being able to rep much definitely isn't a problem. QQ alone should be >15% of OP's flop calling range.

The problem is more simple: OP should have plenty of better bluff candidates in his range -- weaker hands with better blockers. Q8 is pretty much enough.
i was actually thinking in terms of pf 3b-calling hands of which those 3 i specified don't think make up 15% (if you could assist in pointing out how to calculate a range from a range i'd be thankful)
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12-09-2014 , 10:35 AM
god please dont bluff here lol. What are you gonna do if he calls, barrell away 100bb on the river? Ugh
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12-09-2014 , 12:06 PM
Thanks for replies!

What is the range good opponent bets flop and calls turn?
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12-09-2014 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Reissumies
Thanks for replies!

What is the range good opponent bets flop and calls turn?
flushes and boats
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12-09-2014 , 01:05 PM
tempted to fold this pre, gaps up top causes probs, and we wanna be in position with this hand or heads up, min raising UTG is asking for trouble

i guess it has deception on the boards it connects to just alot of opp flatting range has this one out pipped, so even when we flop good, they have decent equity with draws to higher str8s, so even if we hit our dream flop its still super vunerable

if i was gonna play it i would pot pre, use some small FE if any, also somewhat less likely to get 3b, min raises UTG I attack, rightly or wrongly, just seems so cheap and calling 4b is no probs IP with SPR deeper than if you had pot pre
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12-09-2014 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Alienatu
flushes and boats
So basically QQ and flushes. Maybe some weird Q4 combo. Anyway felt bad about this play. Thats why I posted it. Folding pre would make things simpler. Thanks for the replies!
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12-09-2014 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck
tempted to fold this pre, gaps up top causes probs, and we wanna be in position with this hand or heads up, min raising UTG is asking for trouble

i guess it has deception on the boards it connects to just alot of opp flatting range has this one out pipped, so even when we flop good, they have decent equity with draws to higher str8s, so even if we hit our dream flop its still super vunerable

if i was gonna play it i would pot pre, use some small FE if any, also somewhat less likely to get 3b, min raises UTG I attack, rightly or wrongly, just seems so cheap and calling 4b is no probs IP with SPR deeper than if you had pot pre

Good points! I've been trying to widen my opening range, but it has put me in some kinky situations. Maybe it is better to revert back to my nittish style.
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12-10-2014 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Reissumies
Good points! I've been trying to widen my opening range, but it has put me in some kinky situations. Maybe it is better to revert back to my nittish style.
If you want to widen your opening range do so from CO and BTN! The open is fine if table is fairly tight but I'd definitely be potting it. If I was to have a min-r from UTG it would be with good JJ/avg-weak QQ/KK hands and then some hands that play really well multi-way plus some of my AA hands.

As Rei said Q8 combos are plenty enough for a bluffing range.
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12-10-2014 , 12:08 PM
As long as you're gonna pot river....gl
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