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PLO200 - Linecheck, blockerbluff vs good reg and fish PLO200 - Linecheck, blockerbluff vs good reg and fish

02-04-2012 , 05:38 PM
SB is a good laggy reg, CO is loose fish but very straight forward, would have raised nutflush either flop or turn. Is it too optimistic to think that even a fish must realize how strong this looks and fold a flush? Ideas on sizing? I would obv like to have something like 110 to shove into 180 instead, but then sizing would have to be weirdly small earlier.

edit: writing this a bit tilted after a bad session, I can feel already as my brain cools off how this hand looks increasingly more spewy.

Entraction - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): €156.25
CO: €185.30
BTN: €97.00
SB: €378.70
BB: €695.48
UTG: €171.45

SB posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (€3.00) Hero has 4 A Q J

UTG raises to €7.00, Hero calls €7.00, CO calls €7.00, fold, SB calls €6.00, fold

Flop: (€30.00, 4 players) 6 2 K
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets €16.00, CO calls €16.00, SB calls €16.00, fold

Turn: (€78.00, 3 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets €38.00, CO calls €38.00, SB calls €38.00

River: (€192.00, 3 players) 8
SB checks, Hero bets €95.25 and is all-in, CO calls €95.25, fold

Spoiler:

Hero shows 4 A Q J (High Card, Ace) (Pre 54%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
CO shows 7 T 9 5 (Flush, King High) (Pre 46%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
CO wins €379.50
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02-04-2012 , 10:07 PM
turn bigger, give up if called, hes not folding riv after calling turn. like 64.
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02-05-2012 , 02:47 AM
i hate it
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02-05-2012 , 06:11 AM
Don't like it.
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02-05-2012 , 02:54 PM
And if both villains are regs?

Last edited by SomeEvilMothers; 02-05-2012 at 03:17 PM.
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02-05-2012 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SomeEvilMothers
And if both villains are regs?
It would be a bit better but your sizing doesn't make much sense here.
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02-05-2012 , 05:40 PM
So if you're either villain with J high flush u call down?
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02-05-2012 , 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomeEvilMothers
So if you're either villain with J high flush u call down?
youre still tilted---thats not the point of poker
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02-05-2012 , 09:26 PM
I strongly dislike the the actual hand, mainly because of this specific opponent. Now Im just trying to understand why its bad against 2 regs. If I come off as arrogant or anything its completely wrong. Im extremely unsure about my game in general, when I get this type of response from a post I get pretty much convinced that Im wrong and very interested in learning why the play is so bad when I dont understand it.

Ill give my line of thought to make it easier to isolate where wrongthink occurs:
I think my line should look strong when I do this into two players, I dont see why I wouldnt size it like this with a flush. I bet weird and small alot more often than most other regs in general. Combowise I should have alot more flushes than blockerbluffs due to preflop. I think its super unlikely either villain has A-high flush due to how the hand plays out, I think its even less likely that they would continue to slowplay it when I size it this small. Their ranges are pretty much capped at J-flushes and they both have to worry about 2 guys having them outpipped, or me having nuts.

Basically from villains perspective holding J-flush: Hero's range is Q-flush, A-flush or an unsuited Ad or maybe Qd wich is alot less likely than suited ones to begin with. Then if Hero just has a blocker, would he start kamekazeing off into 3 players? Then even if he did, other villain could still have me outpipped with Q-flush.

If I was villain here I would atleast think it was a tough spot, shouldn't I?

Last edited by SomeEvilMothers; 02-05-2012 at 09:31 PM.
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02-06-2012 , 12:12 AM
combo wise the only 2 flushes barreling 3 streets at these limits are Q hi and A hi flushes, so the turn bet actually narrows your value range quite a bit.

the sizing strings sets along to the point where otr they only need to be right 25% that youre increasing the hero call frequency from regs. so youre right on what youre hand looks like, but your sizings are off imo. the sizings in this whole hand is just wierd and sets off alarm bells esp if someone can think youre a thinking player. on lockdown boards we should be using polarizing sizings.

a line more indicative of what youre trying to show is 8-10 otf then near pot ott. leaving you w/ more ammo for the river.
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02-06-2012 , 01:09 AM
Why not do this when you have some outs (e.g. with a flopped set) or better blockers (the Ad comes to mind)?

I mean, we must bluff sometimes, but presumably when we decide to barrel three streets on a monotone board, we at least want to do this when we have some outs, no?
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02-06-2012 , 04:43 AM
the naked Ace-bluff never works so we've changed our game to start bluffing with the naked Q? Interesting..
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