Villian was a BIG fish playing 100% oop ( Call steal 84% , 3b 12%) ;

He doesnt fold to cbets ( fold to cbet 5%) and craises about 40% over large sample.

My general cbet sizing was half pot.

I dont know whether to 3b or call this hand. I know this depends on how i play the rest of my range.

reason for 3betting is to build the pot bigger , get value from 2pair, weak draw type hands.

raison against 3betting is that the pot is relativly small before 3betting and we are in an tough decision when facing a 4b.
I dont know his 4betting range on the flop, as there was no same situation before. I guess that he will 4b QQ , 99 and BIG DRAWS , but call 2pair hands / weak draws and fold the rest. but i am not sure.

With this assumption we should 3b/fold to a 4b as there is so much money behind after 3betting the flop.
But 3b /folding vs someone sooo aggressive with set dont seems like a good strategy.

Another reason against 3betting is that even if he only calls the 3b on the flop , there are sooooo many turn cards we are not comfortable to stack off..

If we dont 3b bottom set here, our 3b value range is very very thin!

I guess u guys dont bluff 3b this specific board texture ?

If we only call the flop , do u RAISE a safe blank turn ??? In this case we are loosing anyway to 2nd and nutset....

Thank u for some thoughts

Is he the same villain as in the A76T hand ?
Anyway, same problem here for me, cbet more on the flop. One of the reason is the minraise thing, once again. The more you bet, the less likely most villains are to c/r you with air/terrible drawings hands.
Another thing is that we dont want to let him see the turn for 15$ with is non-nut drawing hands, we want to charge him, so we got to raise now.

ps : i have run some simulation. Against QQ, 99 and KJT* with clubs, you got 25%. This is a very pessimistic simulation. If you had Q9 OR a semi bluff w the nut flush, you have 50%. Fist pump shove imo.

if his f2cb is 5 and he's playing 100 from the bb, cbet pot, fold bottom 10-15 otb and cbet 60-65~

ofc if he adjusts you adjust, but he's not going to adjust

thanks for replies ! this was the same villian as in the A76T hand

10-12$ on the flop. If he raises to 30-40, then call it and take turn. If blank hits, then he will bet prolly big and you can shippzzzzzzzzz.

+1 to cola.

wp imo ul

If hes unlikely to fold to flop 3b and his range is 40% of total hands dont you think our hand is good enough to just put more money in on the flop rather then have a bad turn come off and not stack him?

Blank only hits 31% by my gipsy math, I don't think your logic is valid

same is true if he calls your 3bet, I think getting it allin on the flop is not the best way to get the most value out of bottom set on a board like this, you arent a big favorite vs way too much of his get it in or even flatting range. 3betting here is a mistake as far as I can see.

40% is pretty crazy and he's not folding hands that we dominate (tp oe, pair wrap,random pair + fds etc) and these will make up the bulk of a 40% c/r range

shoveling in has to be better than risking losing value on a lot of turns. generally i would agree with flat but he's playing 100 from the bb vs 3x and c/r cbet 40% of the time

these are really extreme numbers

What about the times he has hands like doorbread suggested and calls the flop repot, then check calls or check folds for stacks on turns where we have him smoked a big % and the SPR makes it okay to just get it in when checked to.

The alternative is fine, we're just usually operating on a weird bluffcatcher/value cut catcher on a lot of run outs. Seems like repotting to get QJT6 badugi to play for stacks on the turn would be preferable.

others have done the heavy lifting but not 3b this hand vs a (presumably) bad oppt with a super weak c/r range when youre nowhere near deep enough to lose much sleep if you happen to run into the top end of his range seems pretty bad, even without our gutter/diamond insurance.