Hi! sorree,I post this here,but i wanted opininions from the HS guys.
villain is a tricky reg,with playing 41/34,13%bet. He will read this 100% so i dont know if its correct to post his nick. We had several session againt each other, even a lot of deep HU-s. What is the best turn play here. Would u call the river as played?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($978)
BB ($190)
UTG ($398)
Hero ($1,499)
BTN ($1,233)

BTN antes $0.40
SB antes $0.40
BB antes $0.40
UTG antes $0.40
Hero antes $0.40

Dealt to Hero 9 9 K 6

fold, Hero raises to $6, fold, SB raises to $22, fold, Hero calls $16

FLOP ($48) J 4 5

SB bets $16, Hero calls $16

TURN ($80) J 4 5 A

SB bets $44, Hero raises to $186, SB raises to $328, Hero calls $142

RIVER ($736) J 4 5 A 5

SB bets $511, Hero folds

SB wins $734

so he made the str8flush +nutboat on the river? must be nice

Colorboards are prehty complicated / dependant on how u think people will play with whateva & what u want them to do when u have what & what they think u have when u do what u do.

Only way for opponent to have "fight" against turn ip raise with ~wide range against a turn raise is to click it back. a lot of the time he will possess a hand that he cannot profitable call & call river with. ofc that is the "what u want to do when u have a SMALL FLUSH / set, wateva"

Dont think i would never bluff river non paired, (might check call with advanced double float biittor, if sense something from timing / betsize) but will bluff paired rivers pretty often.

I dont think you can fold river & would 4bet the turn (prolly viewed more likely candidate to blocker bluff)

U can also post your view of HM sample, then everything will be clear.

yeah and i didnt want u to post for 2nd...

lol @ clearing things

and i dont think people would have realized i was opponent from my post.

i didnt realize roope was opponent until tracyer said it lol

soree then my bad.

its ok roope is always a couple levels ahead of the field

most of his 32x combos would be double suited hands, like AK32 and most of this hands that he is 3betting vs your CO is rpoabbly AsKh3h2s. really hard to him hold 32 of same suit.

has to be KK32 ? rare because isn't a hand that like to 3bet deep, but maybe roope likes. anyway, we got K, its hard to him have this. same for AA given once ace is on board plus i never ever see someone hit nut boat + str8 flush.

i call because roope plays higher than 1/2 and people do crazy/dumb stuff when playing lower.

edit: if he was tilted he could have 32ss. or maybe he 3bet 7632off because he is roope. well, never folding anyway lol

I think I 4-Bet turn, it is good for balance when you have the lone king of spades and I think he is def calling with hands that we beat (some smaller flushes and maybeee a few sets? hard to tell)-- As played I don't think you can fold river, the 5 is a great card for him to bluff you on if he is indeed bluffing

He probably puts you on a non-nut flush and is trying to bluff you off it... or has the 32s, lol

~ (: ti sah epooR

It's pretty clear to villain that hero most likely has Khigh fl, and less often Qhigh fl. Roope doesn't have the Ks, and nobody decent tries to rep 23s trying to fold a range of ~[80%Ks*s, 20%Qs*s]. It's just massively -EV to do so.

Can he do this with AA? well that would be pretty stupid too I think, given that he's opening himself up to being 4bet-shoved on on the turn and having to fold a hand with equity.

So I don't think pairing river changes anything.

edit: I agree with urubu's comment that it's super rare for him to have 23s. But it's also super rare for him to be bluffing here, probably never.

When villain leads small OTF and slightly over halfpot OTT, he could have air, flush, Axxx, or even a set of aces as 3bettor. IMO all those hands are plausible. Hero could be floating with anything between nuts and air OTF.

4th spade OTT makes flush unlikely so villain can lead with his full range again for balance. Hero raising is obv somewhat polarised, but doesn't have to be the nuts. Villain raises it up, repping NF or SF. Question is, does 3betting with those hands make sense in terms of value, since he can now account for 6 spades. Really depends on how often hero is valueraising with non-nut flushes.

OTR, hero or villain can never have a boat, so villain has to decide whether hero has enough non-nut flushes in his range to justify a bluff shove. I know this analysis makes a zillion assumptions, one of them being a sick dynamic for PLO200, but humour me, it's Roope after all

Edit: i forgot to mention: on the river roope wrote this in the chat after 20 secs:
slowrolling again?( wheather i never do)
i thought it made me fold finally.

After "what?" it is pretty clear he has K / Q highflush ? If i can bet 1:3th the pot, and 1:2 pot and if i get raised i can put opponent on nuts / second nuts on boards it is prehty hard to have powerfull raising hands , it would be pretty sweet.

Flop 1:3 forces him to float with ~any gutter ~any pair ~any 1x spade ~any feeling to do so

If i continue turn with my 1:3 flop bet range, which probably is prehty wide, how much of it would i be folding to a turn raise?
prehty much

well if villain is blufffing (what he can do as much as he wants, because we have so much crap it is not funny, and only thing we can do is call and check call river with our "LEGIT HANDS", or he can raise with flushes & PROTECT against pokketrokkets, which i ofc have like 50%++ cause i 3bet preflop)

We dont have the flushes or sets to call the raise that often. So we ~have to fold, unless we want to balance some sort of leading range otr with BLUFFS & flushes too / probably call the turn with wraps etc where we can still check call when hit, but i feel it is pretty ******ed / hard to not leaky leaky millions.


The turn re-raise," being repping 23s / nutflush" is meh, it is not poker, it is safe safe poker where we arent opening doors.

"Can he do this with AA? well that would be pretty stupid too I think, given that he's opening himself up to being 4bet-shoved on on the turn and having to fold a hand with equity. "

i am never folding after i 4bet turn, it is not funny (might be +EEVEE) to fold outs on spots where it is hard to have outs, and i have mostly crap.

Poker is all about to give your crap legit case to win pots with goodie cards protecting em

It was a joke + i thought you were the one who wrote please god no in chat before calling me with nutfull after my river cr, which was hopefully a joke too

all of that was just a prelude to you posting the HH holding 23s, right?

I have to have some serious self-view-internet problems.

what im i doing here, why im i getting upset about poker being what it is

mayby didnt open to, but this makes no sense & i dont like what i am trying to accomplish / what i am trying to be? if there is smthing i am trying subconsciesly

i would pay 100bucks if i would have beaten him with my k high flush. i am 98% i was behind. maybe 99%

You were right, But i think you are wrong to be folding there especcially if you think i respect your gamebook.

Spot is so "complicated" that nobody can tell u what you should do.

But if i think you a) are raising smaller flushes on turn for protection / dont think i barrel rivers when called ~never , and can fold them (especcially for ~best card for me my semibluffs get there i get there if i do my minclick it back with set)

~BEST CARD for me, and dont think you never play set / 2 pairs like that so you ~almost never have a fullhouse.

b) that you are floating the turn with lonely K / or total air as a advanced play, you CANT raise the river ~never, and you cant call it.

= i am going to bluff you on river on that card

= you shouldnt fold when you have best possible hand you can have, from poker perspective

= but you were right this time, and not saying that particular spot your decision was "wrong" from ev perspective, but it was "wrong" from basic perspective

And you cant ask other people about when you think you should step away from the ev perspective cause opponent is like this OR opponent probably thinks i ALWAYS have flush (What i shouldnt, but i prolly do) and dont think i can fold a flush so he never bluffs --> you make super ev decision by READSSS.

yes. u make super ev decision by reads. thats correct. i know u are a very unreg player,and i thought i am behind. i dont know if a 90/10 fish plays this how i would play the hand,but in this case, in my mind happened something,which made me fold. i dont really wanna (and not even can) define what it was, i just think this hand is 100% the most interesting hand ,i had in my last few month so i had to post it here.
whatever,gl 2U, and everybody at the tables !

I'd be surprised if a competent villain decides to turn his bluffcatcher into a bluff.