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07-06-2014 , 10:17 PM

Kingandtheduck

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V is 94/71/56 after 181 hands, raised Cbet in 3b pot = 2/14, call cbet in 3b pot 7/14

Reads are aggro pre, but reasonable post, not as spewy as he is pre

How do you guys play it?

iPoker - €0.20 PL Hi (2 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 100 BB
SB: 361.55 BB (VPIP: 94.15, PFR: 71.35, 3Bet Preflop: 56.10, Hands: 181)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9

SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 12.6 BB, SB raises to 39.05 BB, Hero calls 26.45 BB

Turn: (96.1 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 51.95 BB

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07-07-2014 , 05:21 AM

burbs

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standard flop check turn

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07-07-2014 , 05:40 AM

sauhund

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bet is obv good.

probably the very top of your b/folding range. as played, i don´t see much merit in calling his raise, either jamming or folding, imo folding.

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07-07-2014 , 06:03 AM

burbs

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Originally Posted by sauhund

bet is obv good.

probably the very top of your b/folding range. as played, i don´t see much merit in calling his raise, either jamming or folding, imo folding.

u gonna b/f 2 pair gutter and bdfd?

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07-07-2014 , 06:36 AM

sauhund

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Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
9s7s6c5c	48.80%	290,918	3,730
A9, A5, 99, 55, A76, A86, A78, 5678, A	51.20%	305,352	3,730

that´s a very loose range

let´s remove bare Axxx combos

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with hero´s read, that he´s reasonable post, i´m folding. still betting flop though.

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07-07-2014 , 06:42 AM

burbs

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if you fold this hand in a Hu game you're getting raped especially vs this villain after only 186 hands

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07-07-2014 , 07:01 AM

Kingandtheduck

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Think V will sometimes have AkQ10 etc, high run downs that think we never have AAxx so can put pressure on, not a big % of his range but something to consider

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07-07-2014 , 07:02 AM

Kingandtheduck

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Originally Posted by burbs

standard flop check turn

why check turn? To let him continue with his range we beat?

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07-07-2014 , 07:52 AM

burbs

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He might check back. I'm just not sure why its good to force more money into the pot when a lot of the time when he calls your're behind.

I do agree with apo that we can be behind here a lot on the flop but we block 9 5 and this is heads up man I'm not folding 2 pair to a single raise with gutter and bdfd 100bb

I would just call flop and try to get to river cheap, if he shoves well you obviously have to call since you're pot committed

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07-07-2014 , 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by burbs

I do agree with apo

Looking through the post franticly...no, I'm not delusional, I have in fact not responded to this post

(Mainly cause I think its a very close and player specific spot and I have no clue what we should do)

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07-07-2014 , 08:28 AM

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Kingandtheduck

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guess im calling no matter what on the turn, so i thought better to shove as he may call with worse a small amount of the time

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07-07-2014 , 08:30 AM

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Kingandtheduck

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Originally Posted by apo5tol

Looking through the post franticly...no, I'm not delusional, I have in fact not responded to this post

(Mainly cause I think its a very close and player specific spot and I have no clue what we should do)

lol did wonder why he mentioned you, thanks for the input, by this time we had been trading buy ins, i was up 4 buyin, then he just won a 400bb pot just prior to this, i guess this would make his bluff % go down here, although I dont think he's ever bluffing in this spot

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07-07-2014 , 08:38 AM

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burbs

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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck

guess im calling no matter what on the turn, so i thought better to shove as he may call with worse a small amount of the time

if your are calling anyway, why not check and let him shove with worse, like you said HE MAY/not call with worse

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07-07-2014 , 08:39 AM

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burbs

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Originally Posted by apo5tol

Looking through the post franticly...no, I'm not delusional,

no sure what you mean?

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07-07-2014 , 08:41 AM

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Kingandtheduck

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you said 'I do agree with Apo', implying he posted in the thread, which he hasnt

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07-07-2014 , 08:44 AM

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burbs

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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck

you said 'I do agree with Apo', implying he posted in the thread, which he hasnt

oops i mixed him up with sauhund

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07-07-2014 , 11:02 AM

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gazar

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preflop: 3bet is ok

flop: cb/fold is ok. if you cb/call, you have to push on the turn.

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07-07-2014 , 12:47 PM

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WhateverSon

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hand plays reasonably well checking flop. as played would not fold ever

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07-07-2014 , 05:28 PM

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Kingandtheduck

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Originally Posted by WhateverSon

hand plays reasonably well checking flop. as played would not fold ever

usually worry about not betting A high flop in 3b pot makes it obv that i dont have AAxx,so do you balance this with sometimes not betting AAxx here?

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07-07-2014 , 05:39 PM

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Polsk33

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Originally Posted by burbs

if your are calling anyway, why not check and let him shove with worse, like you said HE MAY/not call with worse

Even if he has worse here, we would probably prefer a fold

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07-07-2014 , 10:51 PM

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F_Ivanovic

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Originally Posted by burbs

if you fold this hand in a Hu game you're getting raped especially vs this villain after only 186 hands

Uh, really? As the 3-better we have a ton of better hands we can continue with on this board... would much rather have a bare ace and a gutter than our hand - and it's not like I expect villain to be raising this flop with air either.

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07-08-2014 , 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WhateverSon

hand plays reasonably well checking flop. as played would not fold ever

How did it possibly take this long for this concept to be brought up?

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usually worry about not betting A high flop in 3b pot

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07-08-2014 , 05:47 AM

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Kingandtheduck

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whats you guys strat against this type of V? Sometimes just keeping on calling 3b and then folding to cbets gets tilting as fook

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07-08-2014 , 03:49 PM

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WhateverSon

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u should be checking some Ax on this board. not sure how much u 3b but I do check this board some %

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