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PLO2 - KKxx from the SB, good spot to xr/xr/xr? PLO2 - KKxx from the SB, good spot to xr/xr/xr?

02-23-2012 , 02:54 AM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $0.80 (40 bb)
UTG: $1.58 (79 bb)
MP: $6.90 (345 bb)
CO: $2.07 (103.5 bb)
BTN: $2.82 (141 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.97 (148.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K 4 8 K
2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.05, BB calls $0.03, CO calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.15) K A 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.20, BB folds, CO calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.55) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.59, CO calls $0.57

River: ($1.73) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.02, Hero raises to $1.73, CO calls $1.21 and is all-in
PLO2 - KKxx from the SB, good spot to xr/xr/xr? Quote
02-23-2012 , 02:59 AM
I'm confused. You must have a great read that he is gonna bet when you check, without a very specific read I'm pretty sure you should just bet all three streets. I especially don't like the turn check since his flop play looks so much like a flush draw
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02-23-2012 , 04:11 AM
Actually, I mostly did it just because I always wanted to try and c/r 3 times in a row...and surprisingly it worked >_<!!!!

Then I was like, was that a genius play!?!? or just dumb... maybe both
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02-23-2012 , 04:29 AM
Don't see why you would check/raise river again. You can get all the money in by just betting anyway !?
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02-23-2012 , 07:35 AM
c/r c/r c/r maybe the sexiest line out there.
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02-23-2012 , 07:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joppi
c/r c/r c/r maybe the sexiest line out there.
exept for l/r c/r c/r c/f
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02-23-2012 , 11:03 AM
Man, you are getting way to fancy.

Preflop
Why are you raising? I'm not saying it is wrong, but I want you to tell me, yourself, or this forum your reasoning. Personally I'm not raising. I expect to have little fold-equity at nano-limits, I have a hand which seldom hits the flop, but when it hits, it hits hard. Therefore I expect to often have to give up postflop, and therefore I do not raise

Postflop
I am potting all streets, never ever checking infront when I have a hand like this. What do you do if a diamond turns? You present us with zero reads that can indicate a villain who wants to bluff if you check. Just bet, make life simple for yourself.

Also note that pot-betting is exploitative. I do it because I expect them not to adjust to me betting harder then I would with another hand.
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02-23-2012 , 11:44 AM
you could of missed out on alot of value from weaker hands against different villains, just bet bet bet. If he had checkd behind you would of missed out on 1.30$ which is pretty much what u need esp if set mining in plo/nlh.
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02-23-2012 , 11:47 AM
i like.
kinda sexy line here.
c/r flop 4 protection and value.
c/r turn 4 the same reason
checking river to let him bluff his missed draws or valueown himself and raising then 4 value ofc.

rlly hard and rare to pull this play off but it worked!=) nh
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02-23-2012 , 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kramersaidGETTYUP
Man, you are getting way to fancy.

Preflop
Why are you raising? I'm not saying it is wrong, but I want you to tell me, yourself, or this forum your reasoning. Personally I'm not raising. I expect to have little fold-equity at nano-limits, I have a hand which seldom hits the flop, but when it hits, it hits hard. Therefore I expect to often have to give up postflop, and therefore I do not raise

Postflop
I am potting all streets, never ever checking infront when I have a hand like this. What do you do if a diamond turns? You present us with zero reads that can indicate a villain who wants to bluff if you check. Just bet, make life simple for yourself.

Also note that pot-betting is exploitative. I do it because I expect them not to adjust to me betting harder then I would with another hand.
For preflop, I usually only play kkxx that are more coordinated than this in the blinds, but for some reason I played it here (probably just not paying close enough attention or too many tables).

As for postflop, I know he doesn't have AA cuz he didn't 3! so I know that I have the current nuts. If he doesn't have AA and I do have KK then there are a lot of nuttier hands that he doesn't have. I figure at this point if he has any hand he wants to continue with it is probably going to be a flush draw, straight draw, or some sort of 6 hand like A6 or w/e. I figure most of his hands are either draws or weak made hands, and that the weak hands probably fold to a bet and the draws call. I also figure that if I open preflop and check the flop he probably bets all of those hands and also some air as a stab, so I go for a check/raise. He minbets and I raise, he calls.

Turn. This is a blank, so I figure, well, he probably would have folded his air and his weak hands on the flop, so all he really has are draws now. I figure I want to get as much money in as I can, and I know if I pot it he will just call with a draw. I decide to check because he minbetted flop and minbettors usually like to minbet all the damn time, and if I'm lucky, he will think "wtf is this guy raising flop with then checking the turn...maybe a bluff or a weaker draw..." then he will stab larger than a minbet (ideally) so I can raise. He minbets, and I raise again. He calls.

The river is another blank. I decide that his range is pretty much all draws now cuz any stronger hand would probably just shove it in on the turn and he isn't going to call any bets, so I check in order to induce any sort of bluff that I can, then obv. instashove cuz hopefully he caught some sort of piece of it that might call me.
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02-23-2012 , 12:19 PM
I've managed to do that prob twise in my entirely life. WP!

e:and for realz liak maeng, shove river
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