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PLO150: AA + NFD 200BB Deep in 3B pot PLO150: AA + NFD 200BB Deep in 3B pot

03-05-2010 , 06:48 AM
UTG is a decent player a bit on the laggy side, somewhere around 35/20.

Party Poker $150 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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UTG: $291
CO: $844
Hero (BTN): $478
SB: $239
BB: $933

Pre Flop: ($0.00) Hero is BTN with A 5 5 A
UTG raises to $5.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, UTG calls $12.75

Flop: ($36.00) 4 6 Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $30, UTG raises to $128.25, Hero raises to $423, SB calls $145.00 all in

Sorry for a slightly messed up HH, the hand convert doesn't work very well at my site. Anyways, over pair + NFD against a checkraise in a 3bet pot. I ALWAYS get in in here, even 200BB deep but almost always find myself with 33% equity.

In this case I guess it's alright as the guy is a good player so I assume he is capable of C/R with two pair + combo draws as well, making this a standard ship in my mind?
  1. How about in a single raised pot 100bbs deep, the SPR should be kind of similar even though the dynamic is a bit different?
  2. How about in a single raised pot 200bbs deep? I struggle in this scenario as it seems weak to fold to the checkraise, yet we never get any value from calling and shipping just seems to valuetown ourself really heard?
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03-05-2010 , 07:30 AM
You are asking about same hand and same flop your questions? If that is the case it is kind of bad that you have 55 because it takes a lot of combodraws out of villain range.

1. Qd46d is a bad bord to get it in with naked two pair. So if villain is c/r I am not to happy, but I get it in. You can also play low variance and check behind.
2. Call checkrais. Semibluffraise 378t if you dont get there.
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03-05-2010 , 09:16 AM
he ships any pair+fd and combodraw and of course a set.but with the nfd we have enough equity to get it in here
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03-05-2010 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by blaafarris
1. Qd46d is a bad bord to get it in with naked two pair. So if villain is c/r I am not to happy, but I get it in. You can also play low variance and check behind.
2. Call checkrais. Semibluffraise 378t if you dont get there.
1. Not to sure I like checking behind here against any kind of opponent. Against what player type would you be more likely to check a hand like this behind? Passiv opponents that seldom C/R but when they do they have a huge hand? A maniac that C/R a lot but with a wider range and likely will try to take us off our hand on the turn if we check behind? Just seems we loose a ton of value.

2. I like it, but I would imagine it only works against the most timid players. In this scenario 200BB deep, after rasing preflop and calling a flop C/R we'll have something like 1.5 PSB left on the turn and people will mostly put us on exactly what we have (a flushdraw) and tend to pot the turn as well regardless if the straight draw gets there, figuring they got 20-25% equity against the straight worst case.
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03-05-2010 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by roberteriksson
1. Not to sure I like checking behind here against any kind of opponent. Against what player type would you be more likely to check a hand like this behind? Passiv opponents that seldom C/R but when they do they have a huge hand? A maniac that C/R a lot but with a wider range and likely will try to take us off our hand on the turn if we check behind? Just seems we loose a ton of value.
How can you loose a ton of value? You are usually a slight favorite or worse against their getting it in range on this flop. And if they don't want to get it in on flop you are probably not getting three streets of value.

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Originally Posted by roberteriksson
2. I like it, but I would imagine it only works against the most timid players. In this scenario 200BB deep, after rasing preflop and calling a flop C/R we'll have something like 1.5 PSB left on the turn and people will mostly put us on exactly what we have (a flushdraw) and tend to pot the turn as well regardless if the straight draw gets there, figuring they got 20-25% equity against the straight worst case.
We were talking single raised 200bb deep right? If you raise button, BB calls, you cbet 5bb, he pots to 22,5bb and you call. STP should be 3,45.
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03-05-2010 , 12:17 PM
You guys are crazy. Ship and be happy this is a 3 bet pot, op puts you on AA most of the tmie and will ship any pair and str8 draw any FD any wrap all of which I am very happy to get it in against in this situation. If he has two pair im still in good shape here with FD and Two set draws and counterfit outs. Worst case is he flopped a set which sucks but I still have backup with NFD and TOP Set draw. Ship and be happy.
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03-05-2010 , 12:23 PM
We are not talking about this particular hand. We are talking about the constructed scenarios 1. and 2.
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