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PLO100 QQ62ss on BTN.Topset facing rivershove PLO100 QQ62ss on BTN.Topset facing rivershove

03-05-2018 , 03:16 AM
Preflop is a bit weak right? but we have position and can take a look at the flop and the action.
Villian is 49/30 over 221 hands, quite agressiv.
He is rapping a str8 obv. on the river but could also bluffing with some kind of missed flushdraw.
Is a call ok here?


    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37932096

    SB: $89.55 (89.6 bb)
    BB: $181.13 (181.1 bb)
    MP: $180.64 (180.6 bb)
    CO: $100 (100 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $165.11 (165.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 6 Q 2
    MP raises to $3.50, CO folds, Hero calls $3.50, SB calls $3, BB folds

    Flop: ($11.50) 8 Q 3 (3 players)
    SB checks, MP bets $7, Hero raises to $20, SB folds, MP calls $13

    Turn: ($51.50) 7 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $49, MP calls $49

    River: ($149.50) 9 (2 players)
    MP bets $108.14 and is all-in, Hero ???

    Spoiler:
    Results: $334.72 pot ($2.50 rake)
    Final Board: 8 Q 3 7 9
    MP showed 9 Q T K and lost (-$165.11 net)
    Hero showed Q 6 Q 2 and won $332.22 ($167.11 net)



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    PLO100 QQ62ss on BTN.Topset facing rivershove Quote
    03-05-2018 , 04:09 AM
    yeah I fold pre, would call some suited QQ whose side cards are better connected.

    I don't like the flop sizing, just use the same sizing you would use with your range there, otherwise you make your hand a bit face up. (I noticed you did this in that other thread as well, where OTT you bet second nuts +nfd into two players with ~half pot sizing, was really obvious what your hand was).

    river is really tough, I lean towards fold, I just don't see that many flush draws in opponents range that are air/weak SDV otr, e.g. does something like AKssT9 even call turn for V?
    And stuff like AK54ds probably doesn't even open from MP.
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    03-05-2018 , 05:36 AM
    pre call maybe isn't too bad if game is loose passive.

    river I guess he's repping mostly JT and less 56, these would probably have some kind of flush draw to go along with them. I actually think it's not a bad call, 49/30 type of player can do some random ***** exactly like he did, these people have no concept of showdown value. against a regular looking player I would fold though.
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    03-05-2018 , 05:56 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by md46135
    49/30 type of player can do some random ***** exactly like he did, these people have no concept of showdown value.
    It's not like V massively spewed or something, all of his decisions in the hand make a decent amount of sense.
    River is probably the most questionable, but V is up against a set a large % at that point, so Q9 will a) rarely win at SD) b) rarely get to SD
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    03-05-2018 , 06:14 PM
    I took a look at his river aggr % after the hand..it was about 47 what is quite high..also what I belive he could play with some Txxx blockers there. I don't know how he looks at me and my game, dind't play much hands with him so far but maybe he thought, he can push me out of the hand after some str8 cards appear on the river and this fits his calling range quite well ..Sometime I am going with my instincts and guts and look how fast someone is shoving..I know is somekind of wierd to base my decision on that. But he pushed instantly there. So I was sure he is more likely bluffing than valebetting his str8 and this guy is 49/30 he is a maniac.
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    03-05-2018 , 06:49 PM
    I'm often lost in this river spot. This is one of those spots where I usually call, because V's story makes zero sense. However, I'm often shown the nuts, and V also has a flush draw which explains how they got to the river. The previously passive OOP guy open-shoving river is just usually so nutted.

    So I call, and suspect it's usually a mistake.
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    03-05-2018 , 06:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MartinK1979
    I took a look at his river aggr % after the hand..it was about 47 what is quite high..also what I belive he could play with some Txxx blockers there. I don't know how he looks at me and my game, dind't play much hands with him so far but maybe he thought, he can push me out of the hand after some str8 cards appear on the river and this fits his calling range quite well ..Sometime I am going with my instincts and guts and look how fast someone is shoving..I know is somekind of wierd to base my decision on that. But he pushed instantly there. So I was sure he is more likely bluffing than valebetting his str8 and this guy is 49/30 he is a maniac.
    Why'd you even post this hand if you're so convinced you're right?


    On river, the standard play is obviously to fold because the draws got there and villain has plenty of straight hands in his range. Now if villain has a tendency to bluff a lot in spots like this, great read. Ultimately there's no way for any of us to know whether this was in fact a great call or if you talked yourself into a call and got lucky because it's entirely dependent on player tendencies.


    Also, I think preflop call is fine, flop raise is too small, turn bet is too big.
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    03-06-2018 , 11:47 AM
    Call on river is really close.2 Fd missed,and considering opponent tendencies call is ok

    probably,but not too excited.Would prefer c/rasing full pot on the flop.
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    03-06-2018 , 12:00 PM
    This hand is probably a fold
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