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PLO100 close turn spot in deep 3B pot PLO100 close turn spot in deep 3B pot

03-04-2011 , 06:56 AM
Prima Network $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (BTN): $382.80
SB: $100.50
BB: $371.76
UTG: $104.01
MP: $278.88
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with K J T 4
3 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, SB raises to $11.50, BB calls $10.50, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($34.50) 4 K Q (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $17.00, Hero raises to $85.50, SB folds, BB calls $68.50

Turn: ($205.50) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ?

Villain is 75/25 fish over 130 hands who has not been folding much yet. It is hard to assign a flop b/c range as he is unlikely a thinking player. Is b/c turn the standard play here or is there any value in checking? We have 275 behind.
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03-04-2011 , 10:11 AM
bc for value is fine.
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03-04-2011 , 06:10 PM
whats his 3betting range like?
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03-04-2011 , 06:26 PM
Agree with bc, I would go small on my sizing (70ish) as you have 3 pair and a oesd, and there's no flush draw out there, so if you are ahead, you don't have much to protect against so you'd like to widen his calling and stackoff ranges.
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03-04-2011 , 11:18 PM
is he agro? can be bluff rivers? how much do you fear certain cards?
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03-04-2011 , 11:32 PM
uggggggggh thats the worst turn possible, wtf, maybe we can discount our equity to 17-21% average agianst his ahead range,,,, his b/c on flop has to hit that card, wtf, its not like hes got AAT4 or QT98 or AQT9 often enough... I would hate myself for getting it in behind a fish for over 300bbs with this line... but to be fair I think I would bet 140 and hope he calls or folds... he aint got KQ... j9 and AJ turn up here a lot imo,,, gotta balance all those combos vs the QT98 AQT7 ect... so i think because we v often some equity when we get it in bad its never gonna be a mistake, still horrible though this deep
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03-04-2011 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
j9 and AJ turn up here a lot imo
Sometimes ppl hit gutshots in big pots cant help it. But we have 1 blocker + oe also and 2pair so we have "ok" equity even against straight.

Pot is too big to do anything else than bc vs fish
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03-04-2011 , 11:46 PM
yer its forced,,, but i would feel like i fked up this deep against a fish, feel the pot shouldnt get so big with KJT* so fast, BB and SB although fishy have strong hands here I think,,, after the b/call... AJ and J9 are so much heavier than he QT and AQ and AT, or maybe they are pretty much equal i cant figure it out but either yeah theres nothing that can be done if the fish got lucky.... unless he had AKJT and we are the fish playing such weak form so deep and letting the pot get so large
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03-05-2011 , 04:42 AM
im torn, but i don't like b/c for any of the reasons stated
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03-05-2011 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by spewtastick
im torn, but i don't like b/c for any of the reasons stated
then u are probably doing it wrong.

Also I havent said that flop raise is not too ideal this deep.
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03-05-2011 , 05:13 AM
yeah i'm not sure about the flop raise either. I mean we have a strong hand in position, and this weak lead doesn't look like a set, but the problem is that when we raise with this SPR villain can play perfectly with a wrap, and just stack off with a set. Even fish don't call it off here with a gutshot, so his range is very polarized towards wraps, with some KQxx and maybe some fishy set, but that's not so likely how the hand has played.

This turn is probably the worst card in the deck for us. We didn't pick up either of our back doors flush draws, and the wrap just got there. IMO jamming is no better than checking; I mean do we ever fold out better, or get called by worse?? and if he has the straight and we get there, then we still get most if not all of his stack otr.

Maybe someone can convince me otherwise, but shoving does feel a bit like a desperation shove because we can't think of anything better to do and we are scared of playing a river. That said, with this SPR v fish i probably jam as well in the heat of the moment.
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03-05-2011 , 05:55 AM
I confused about this hand and the comments.

I'd raise flop smaller, check turn then bluff catch his stab at the river..
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