i dont like the turn at all, how do you continue?
villain is 28/22/4

$0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 Players
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Stacks:
UTG j0hndayt0n ($340.40)
CO Jolton73 ($67.70)
BTN Hero ($100)
SB The mooses ($35.80)
BB IBLUFFULOL ($100)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is BTN K 7 Q K
j0hndayt0n raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: K 6 8 ($7.50, 2 players)
j0hndayt0n bets $7.15, Hero raises to $23, j0hndayt0n calls $15.85

Turn: 9 ($53.50, 2 players)
j0hndayt0n checks



btw: do you 3bet this hand preflop? I wanted to have the blinds in it too and my hand is pretty weak so i see no point in 3betting but a friend told me he would

He could be aggressive enough to c/r over a weak turn bet, but pretty much any hand that he flatted a flop raise with is either going to c/f the turn or shovel money in. The only thing I really don't like is a biggish turn bet, because I think he'll be able to get away from anything that isn't a straight unless you guys have some dynamic in place or he just refuses to fold/is new to PLO.

Regarding PF: It really depends on his opening standards and the blinds. If he opens pretty loosely UTG and the blinds are tight, I don't have a problem with 3betting at all. You start getting into trouble when the blinds will continue even if you 3bet, or if UTG is really only opening hands with which he's going to 4bet or fold. It's really situation dependent and how hard UTG will fight for pots (read: how lightly he'll stack off) and how comfortable you are with variance will also play roles in your decision.

i dont like 3 betting ok kk from the btn to an utg opener. it sucks so bad to get 4 bet.

as for the turn, theres only 1.5 psb left, you got a blocker, plus most people just bet their made straights here cuz its so easy for you to check behind, im betting, and betting near the full amount.

preflop: what SteveL91 and mdb77 said. Also, I'd like the hand better if one of the kings were suited instead of the queen.

turn: you can't play scared of the nuts all the time, especially in heads-up pots. If he has a big wrap, e.g. JT97, or even just T97-bleh, he likely would have tried to get it all in on the flop. So if the 9 made him a straight, he either gut-shot a piece of cheese (in which case, what is he raising PF UTG with) or he bet-called with 75 and made a non-nut straight. It's actually fairly hard to put a non-newbie/non-horrible player on a made straight here. So I'm just going to shove here. If I'm wrong, I still have a chance on the river, and pushing now might give me some fold equity against a second-nut straight.

bet/call

thank you

i bet frightened ^^ 35 and he folds

after reading your postings i think betting 50+ and calling is correct play here



you say typically they bet out if they hit their straight, so what was the best option if he would have done that? like donking the turn for full pot (or whatever amount >1/2 ps is quite irrelevant i guess)

Why would you pot it on the turn? He's only calling with the straight and folding all his AA** or top pair/gutshot type hands. If he's really aggressive I would bet about half-pot and then get it in if he raises. Like oldgreydonkey said the only straights he's likely to have given his UTG raise are some kind of wrap, which he likely would have gotten in on the flop. If he does show up with some kind of janky straight just take a note and then start three betting the hell out of him.

Preflop is optional depending on opponent. A lot of people discourage 3betting but I mean do you really want to just set mine with fairly dry KKxx here against a possible 4 way pot should the blinds call.

Against weak tight opponents who usually checks the flop when they have nothing, I sometimes 3bet to isolate him here. Get it HU, then cbet a large number of flops when checked to.

3betting the button against 1 raiser usually chase the blinds out to get it HU, and overpairs play much stronger on a rainbow flop when HU.

If he 4bets you can fold. It doesn't suck to fold this hand anyway.


On the turn, basically what the above poster said.

Note that it's a slightly different story if a 5 hits the turn instead of a 9, because now the 97xx nut OESD got there. But in this case the only straight hand he can have, given the flop play, is T7, which is really a "gut shot piece of cheese", or a wrap, which probably would've shoved flop anyway.

I also think most villains, if turned a straight, would lead out this turn to protect his hand from a board pairing river rather than go for a CR, seeing that it's quite likely you have a set or top two pair here.

Anyway villain is probably a kinda bad player. I can't put him on a hand that calls a flop max raise but folds to a weak half pot turn bet here.

KKQs7s is not a hand that flops particularly well. Its not a hand u can 3bet-call, so it isnt a particularly good hand to be 3betting a tagish utg raiser w/o an exploitable read.

Regarding postflop: the turncard sucks not only cuz u may now be beat, but cuz if ur ahead villain is likely not putting any more $ in the pot. Dont get too obsessive about bet sizing here. Hes folding almost all the time regardless. Unless u decide to microbet to induce, which might not be a bad idea since there are no FDs to protect against, and youre going w/ the hand anyway.

A half-pot bet of $27, if called, would make the pot about $107 and leave Hero with about $47. If Villain bets that on the river, making the pot $154, it would be just about impossible for Hero to lay down his kings at that price. Furthermore, because it would be almost impossible to lay the hand down, the half-pot bet gives Villain effective implied odds of (53 + 27 + 47):27 = 127:27 or about 4:1, which makes it right for Villain to call with quite reasonable hands like AAJT and many others not even this good.

So bet the pot, or close to it. Besides, there are reasonable hands that might call even though it's wrong, such as AAJT or an underset.

I would flatcall preflop vs a decent villian making a utg raise.
You have to make a turnbet otherwise you will lose value at a big sample. Even when he has a straight you can make a fullhouse. I would bet 75% of the pot at the turn.

b/f 2/3 imo

bet for protection, he's not putting any money in with something you beat anyway so you don't lose value by not checking behind but he might be drawing to a straight...

b/f 1/2 pot, gives you a good price if he comes over the top, which he will never do as a bluff without the nuts btw, and will get him to fold or call incorrectly all his random gutters/AAxx/2p/lower sets etc..

i dont mind a check

I actually don't mind a check here for many reasons:

-i really hate bet folding here, if he is competent enough at all, with 1.5 psb left there's still room to play, if hero bets 2/3pot and villain shoves, hero folds, I mean, it's just such an easy spot for villain to rape us constantly.
-from point 1, it almost lets him play perfectly against us, if he has 68, 66 or AA which I think composes a fair % of his range, he's folding here almost always, which sucks cause we can still get a bit of value from it if we bet 1/2 on the river or in the beautiful case that the board pairs and we make some very good value.
-its possible for him to have a straight here and checking back controls pot size. If he bets the river we can re-evaluate but mostly call.

I understand the point that it's not easy for him to have a straight here and if he had a wrap that's a perfect flop to ship, however that's more of a reason to not bet the turn imo because if he doesn't have a straight he's afraid of a straight and obv wont call a big bet on the turn where he may call a decent sized bet on the river. It would take a very weird hand for him to have just called the flop and picked up a straight draw on the turn but it's still possible for us to get away from our hand on a really really scary river. I think if he had a strong hand on the flop and picked up a straight draw on the turn he would lead on this board.

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