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09-12-2010 , 02:11 PM

Enki

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I think on the turn it's pretty clear I have a straight.

He would certainly have raised AAxx or KKxx preflop.

What would you do?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.10 Ante - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $153.35
Hero (SB): $277.30
BB: $165.25
UTG: $249.05
MP: $125.00
CO: $146.35

Pre Flop: ($1.35) Hero is SB with J

1 fold, MP raises to $2, CO calls $2, BTN calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($10.60) J

(5 players)
Hero bets $8.50, BB folds, MP folds, CO folds, BTN calls $8.50

Turn: ($27.60) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $26.25, BTN calls $26.25

River: ($80.10) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $77.10

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09-12-2010 , 02:14 PM

Tsajajaja

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I would 3bet pf

flop is good

turn is good

river meh... Think about hands that villain call flop with and turn hand into a bluff now? He as AK/AJ/KK here nearly allways (bad kings/aces should limp behind from button)

So check fold river and hate life.

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09-12-2010 , 04:35 PM

Maffff

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I cannot fold this.

So I call hoping to see a flush, and when I don't I really hate life.

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09-12-2010 , 04:44 PM

WWJfergusonD

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If he's a very loose raiser I might 3-bang this preflop. OOP I usually just tag along.

On a 5-way flop with stacks this deep I don't want to donk this flop. That's usually for just this kind of situation...I'll be OOP in a huge pot when a scare card hits. I'd rather check-raise the c-bet and take it down, or be able to jam most of my stack in on the turn if he calls a c/r.

Turn is a spot where I'll consider check/shoving if the villain is aggressive enough.

I wonder why he's betting pot on the river...info on villain is critical to hero call here.

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09-12-2010 , 05:00 PM

Mt.FishNoob

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pot flop, pot turn, easy fold on river

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I wonder why he's betting pot on the river...info on villain is critical to hero call here.

this, but its repping what tsajajaja said pretty hard as default

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09-12-2010 , 05:30 PM

WWJfergusonD

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Pot is such a bad bet if he rivered aces full. Unless he's trying to level hero into a call, it's SOOOOO awful. We've shown we have the straight, so what's the point of a huge bet? It's the classic strong-when-weak bet.
(or the strong-when-weak-but-we're-really-strong bet. Without more info on villain, not sure what I'd do.)

If he figured us for an underfull and this was him trying to bluff us off it, more power to him. But it usually isn't.

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09-12-2010 , 05:32 PM

Mt.FishNoob

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Originally Posted by WWJfergusonD

agreeable in general but on this board with it being so wet and with so many 'big hands' not so agreeable... full potting is pretty standard with the nut hands here from my experience

I don't see what he could be bluffing, and most villains aren't sick enough to barrel air when hero is repping straight at this level

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09-12-2010 , 09:36 PM

AveeMaria

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I like a $45 bet on the river. makes our decision a lot easier if he raises we're always beat and Ive never seen someone shove for 3BI bluffing. As played, tsajaja summed his range pretty well. Id fold

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09-12-2010 , 10:34 PM

Watermelons8

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I'd 3-bet pre, if you're not 3-betting this then what's your 3-bet range?
Only DS aces? The rest of the hand looks good as long as you fold the river.

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09-12-2010 , 11:46 PM

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AveeMaria

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Originally Posted by Watermelons8

I'd 3-bet pre, if you're not 3-betting this then what's your 3-bet range?
Only DS aces? The rest of the hand looks good as long as you fold the river.

Not necessarily. OOP this hand plays fine multiway so 3b is pretty table/opponent dependant. Id be more inclined to 3b deeper

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09-13-2010 , 01:32 AM

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WWJfergusonD

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Originally Posted by Watermelons8

I'd 3-bet pre, if you're not 3-betting this then what's your 3-bet range?

OOP 300BB deep, staring at a potential SPR of 3 to 7, I'm not sure there's anything I'm 3-betting. Being OOP is such a big disadvantage, I want high or super-low SPRs.

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09-13-2010 , 01:42 AM

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TUZbl

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Originally Posted by AveeMaria

I bet 38 on riv. IMO $45 is a just a little spewy but otherwise perfect.

Maria you're boss of everyone who said c/f from now on.

edit: just noticed this is .25/.5 so nevermind.

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09-13-2010 , 07:40 AM

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mayor_haggar

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3 betting pre will just make our life difficult, since we'll get a crapload of callers and be oop multiway with something marginal often as not. Against a btn/cutoff open where we'd be heads up a 3bet isn't bad, but in this situation it really just makes stack sizes so awkward and puts us at a huge disadvantage.

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