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07-21-2009 , 10:14 AM
BB in this hand is slaktarn, he's only just joined the table but i've stacked him in a 5 bet pot, so I know he's aggro and obviously very competent from his rep, but other than that dont know how he plays.

If this was a HU pot obviously i would snap, but with the 2 players behind it makes my decision difficult. KK is definately in his range, and if another player had the A high fd then im in bad shape.
What do you guys think?
Also, should i have 5bet this pre? as I still think i have the best hand, but choose to play in position.

Full Tilt Poker, $5/10 Omaha Cash Games, 6 Players
Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

Board:
SB: $1,762.50
BB: $1,015
UTG: $1,184.60
UTG+1: $1,677.25
CO: $3,283.75
Button: $1,057

Dealt to CO Q A J T

Pre-flop:
(1 folds), CO raises to $30, Button calls $30, SB calls $25, BB raises to $150, CO calls $120, Button calls $120, SB calls $120

Flop: ($610) 6 3 K (5 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $600, Button ???
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07-21-2009 , 10:17 AM
It would be a 4bet pre, and no, I generally wouldn't, though it's possible you should have done.

I'm completely ok with folding the flop.
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07-21-2009 , 10:25 AM
Flop looks like an easy fold. I don't see this as a call heads up either. All you have is a non nut flush draw and some backdoor straights. Even if you had the nut flush draw I think this is still an easy fold. Am I undervaluing the back door wrap?
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07-21-2009 , 10:28 AM
It's worth less than 2% more equity in this spot. His range includes AK that he's not folding, and we're 36% against that, so shoving would be pretty bad even HU.
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07-21-2009 , 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkens1
Even if you had the nut flush draw I think this is still an easy fold.
folding the NFD would be pretty bad, it's worth at least a call.

without the suited ace, i'm ok with just calling the 3bet in position. on the flop, it's an easy fold given there are players behind you.
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07-21-2009 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wazz
It's worth less than 2% more equity in this spot. His range includes AK that he's not folding, and we're 36% against that, so shoving would be pretty bad even HU.
i think you're underestimating that bd wrap, vs AKxx on my sims we have ~43%.

Anyways, seems like every1 agrees its a fold, thats what i concluded, here are the results.

Full Tilt Poker, $5/10 Omaha Cash Games, 6 Players
Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

Board:
SB: $1,762.50
BB: $1,015
UTG: $1,184.60
UTG+1: $1,677.25
CO: $3,283.75
Button: $1,057

Dealt to CO Q A J T

Pre-flop:
(1 folds), CO raises to $30, Button calls $30, SB calls $25, BB raises to $150, CO calls $120, Button calls $120, SB calls $120

Flop: ($610) 6 3 K (5 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $600, (2 folds), SB raises to $1,200, BB calls $265 and is all-in, SB returns $335

Turn: ($2,340) A (3 Players)

River: ($2,340) 6 (3 Players)

Results:
SB Showed 7 5 K 9
BB Showed 9 5 T J
BB wins $2,327

I was surprised to see that hand.
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07-21-2009 , 10:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoveIt
folding the NFD would be pretty bad, it's worth at least a call.

without the suited ace, i'm ok with just calling the 3bet in position. on the flop, it's an easy fold given there are players behind you.

Why bad ? only 9 outs and its a potsized bet for 75% of the raiser's stack. Is it that the pot is multiway and then the dry NFD would be getting a good price if someone else comes along too?
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07-21-2009 , 12:27 PM
Is this really how people play at 5/10?
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07-21-2009 , 12:34 PM
flop is a fold.
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07-21-2009 , 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckBass
i think you're underestimating that bd wrap, vs AKxx on my sims we have ~43%.
http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...**&h3=&h4=&h5=

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: 6c3skc
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
asqcjdtc 36.94% 220,482 2,277
ak** 63.06% 377,241 2,277
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07-21-2009 , 02:00 PM
calc pwnage. I have no problem folding the flop. He's obviously committed and Maybe our flush draw is good? ugh.
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07-21-2009 , 03:20 PM
2nd nut flush draw, no fold equity, and four ways generally means we should let it go here.
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