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04-04-2011 , 03:18 PM

Johan5390

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villain just sat down and havent played a pot before this one iirc and my hud isnt working atm so no reads or anything..

how is this line vs unknown and what do we expect villain to have when he calls my flopraise?

just shove turn or check and hope to fill up/get a free showdown otr?

edit: also, thoughts on flopraise sizing..?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($779.55)
UTG ($183)
Button ($493.40)
SB ($513.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, 5

, 7

, 10

2 folds, SB bets $7.60, Hero raises to $24.40, SB raises to $74.80, Hero calls $50.40

Flop: ($151.20) K

, 5

(2 players)
SB bets $72, Hero raises to $168, SB calls $96

Turn: ($487.20) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero

Last edited by Johan5390; 04-04-2011 at 03:22 PM. Reason: .

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04-04-2011 , 03:48 PM

GoGetaRealJob

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Just shove IMO. Enough money in not to allow a fold for you nor your opponent. His range is heavily weighted towards AA and will most likely look you up. Who knows, he maybe also be c/f if he feels you don't have the balls to barrel air in this spot. In any case, shoving the turn is always correct.

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04-04-2011 , 03:48 PM

SlimyF

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Pre is fine.

Even sb vs. bb I most likely put random to AA when he 4 bets, thou this deep he can have a lot of wider range, but against unknown that's from where I start.

I would shove 'cos it looks so much like we are bluffing with 2 p on board. Our raise on flop looks like bluff maybe with fd more than a random 5 imo and when another K turns it's looks so much a bluff that I would shove.

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04-04-2011 , 03:58 PM

Tsajajaja

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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

shove

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Originally Posted by SlimyF

shove

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04-04-2011 , 04:02 PM

Leroy2DaBeroy

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I expect him to have aces with the NFD or KK when he calls your flop raise.

Whether he has a King to go with his aces is meh... Regardless, I think you have to bet to protect vs. the FD.

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board: K

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
8s5h7dTs	55.71%	30,926	12
AdAd, AAK*	44.29%	24,582	12

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04-04-2011 , 04:03 PM

chinz

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+1

+1

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04-04-2011 , 04:07 PM

uphigh_downlow

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check and buy some rope.

Last edited by uphigh_downlow; 04-04-2011 at 04:14 PM.

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04-04-2011 , 04:26 PM

pkrtxs

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ship but excpect to lose to some high card hand that had a king and a flush draw.

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04-04-2011 , 05:23 PM

nachunja

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ship imo

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04-04-2011 , 05:31 PM

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napsus

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i'd take the homosexual route and check behind to see a river

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04-04-2011 , 05:43 PM

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Johan5390

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i checked as i thought the only hands that call me is Kxxx combos which dominates me and that theres not alot of fds in his range here except aa w/ nfd

Flop: ($151.20) K

, 5

(2 players)
SB bets $72, Hero raises to $168, SB calls $96

Turn: ($487.20) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($487.20) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $270.05 (All-In), Hero ?

now what?

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04-04-2011 , 05:51 PM

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Tsajajaja

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Spoiler:

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04-04-2011 , 05:52 PM

#13

napsus

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ya i fold here

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04-04-2011 , 05:53 PM

#14

pkrtxs

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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja

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def +1

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04-04-2011 , 05:53 PM

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Tsajajaja

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+1 for def

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04-04-2011 , 06:02 PM

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SlimyF

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def +1 for +1 for def

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04-04-2011 , 06:17 PM

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nachunja

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+1 for mt.

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04-04-2011 , 06:19 PM

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chinz

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+1 obv

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04-04-2011 , 06:36 PM

#19

Roy

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I'd probably shove turn with that little behind. As played, fold.

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04-04-2011 , 06:40 PM

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this_passing

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line with SPR of 4 on turn?

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04-04-2011 , 06:42 PM

#21

Roy

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check ainec

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04-04-2011 , 06:43 PM

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SlimyF

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line with SPR of 4 on turn?

Check imo. Bluff-catching some rivers if not filled up.

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04-04-2011 , 06:46 PM

#23

Tsajajaja

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good players asking nobrainer questions, weird

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04-04-2011 , 06:49 PM

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monkover

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on the flop hero has a v polarized range after raising. thats why villain will often call with AA. after the check behind on the turn and the fd not coming in, shouldnt that make villain push his entire range on the river? the logic being: hero either has a 5 or a bluff, i can have AAK; + the fact that hero will often be pushing 5XXX on the turn, makes it less likely he actually has a 5.