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11-03-2008 , 03:39 AM

IBETUFOLD33

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Villan is a reg and is a decent winner. He's running at 21/15/2.49(very aggro) through 690 hands. He is one of the most aggro regs at ths limit IMO. Even so, I don't know if he's firing the 2nd barrel as a bluff after i b/c the flop. So i suppose the formula is something like: Are the times he is continuing with just the case ace+times he has air=(or close to) the times he is full?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $100.00
BB: $116.50
UTG: $50.30
Hero (MP): $151.65
CO: $74.95
BTN: $116.75

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with K

1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $22.15, Hero calls $17.15

Turn: ($51.80) 4

(2 players)
BB bets $43, Hero?

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11-03-2008 , 04:14 AM

thxBuddy

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i would call him down on every street (if you think he is able to fire a third barrel with air) because your flop bet really looks like a weak continuation bet and he may try to pick up on this with either complet air ....or something like a worser flush draw like yours ...you also get value vom trip aces with worse kicker...

i just dont know if to ship the flop here because against A7** 77** nearly dead .....but the only hand your getting value from is A***

but ..its my first post its my opinion new to omaha playing also plo100
soo could be totally crap i post

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11-03-2008 , 04:16 AM

stixxxd

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reraise the flop.

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11-03-2008 , 10:27 AM

Poolside

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i dont like these hands when im gettin fired back at.

would he really jam with just an ace is the real question.

he could likely have 777 and own ur face.

3 options, just get it in flop, c/c with disgust, or fold after only putting in 8.50.

if he does have 777 then u still have 10 outs for a better boat...

against a really agrro guy, who plays tight, if just let him have the $8.50 and get him next time. since the other option is eventually calling off ur stack

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11-03-2008 , 11:00 AM

Stake Monster

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Just shove the flop.. you have decent equity against anything he has. Since he's aggro also a lot of turns will suck unless you fill up. Just flatting on the flop opens you up to a bluff on the turn so often.

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11-03-2008 , 11:29 AM

Poker monkey

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How can he bet to make it any clearer that he has a full house? If you didn't have the nut flush draw and had 3 overs to the 7 then that might be reason enough to call the turn, but I don't think you're being bluffed here as often as you might feel you are...

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11-04-2008 , 04:51 AM

urbe

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awww innnn

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11-04-2008 , 07:14 AM

Elrazor

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Originally Posted by Poker monkey

agree this is a bluff maybe 1 time in 10 against an opponent with these stats, if you continue to call its probably going to be for a split

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11-04-2008 , 10:33 AM

Recon20k

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maybe its poor play but i won't ever fold this and id probably raise the turn.
I think a min-raise works best in your favor as he may fold 777, but most likely not.
Just get it in and don't feel bad, he may only have AK.

btw., bar some incredible leveling ambitions, i don't think anyone decent barrels the turn as a bluff here.

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11-04-2008 , 11:51 AM

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pd07

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In my experience a c/r on that flop means the opp is going to show up with either A7 or 77 over 90% of the time, in which case you are drawing quite thin. I would probably only continue after his c/r if you've seen him make a similar play with the bare ace.

You did say he is the most aggro opp you've seen at these stakes which makes the bare ace raise more likely, but you still have no idea where you stand on the turn unless a K or Q hits.

What's his C/R% ?

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11-05-2008 , 11:06 AM

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Poolside

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what's the result? i think u folded cus ur tight

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11-05-2008 , 11:19 AM

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BaloneyBrad

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I think you play pot control right from the start. The only reason to bet this flop is if you think he might think you are bluffing. Checking the flop allows you to call down pretty cheap to river where you have tough call if Q or K don't hit.

The thing, I think, to remember here is there are not many hands that would call that flop, so betting is somewhat worthless. Your hand is much better as a bluff catcher.

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11-05-2008 , 11:44 AM

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RoosterCAD

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Originally Posted by BaloneyBrad

I dont like the above, the thing with that is you give free cards to fill up with lesser pairs, like JJxx, TTxx etc, and thus making a crying call on the end with just trips A's if we dont fill. I like the bet on the flop, the C/R by BB screams to me A7 or 77 which makes me want to call 1 time to catch a K or Q on turn. I now fold on turn to any more action when I miss.

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11-05-2008 , 12:18 PM

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joejoe1337

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jam the flop, he'll fold 777 a lot of the time and youre not in terrible shape against A7, although the 2 is very ugly, if you have AKQ J/T/9/8 then its a clear jam here

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11-05-2008 , 12:53 PM

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jamiezig

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Originally Posted by joejoe1337

jam the flop, he'll fold 777 a lot of the time

???

i expect to see AKxx as often as A7xx and 77xx not so often if he plays well OOP, so I just jam the flop for value. if he's bluffing, he's giving up once you call the flop anyways, so i think repop is the superior play.

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11-05-2008 , 02:05 PM

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TheThinMan

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He couold be pushing a worse Ace as well. I prefer jamming the turn than the flop, now that villain is committed.

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11-06-2008 , 07:19 AM

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adsman

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I jam the Turn as I don't want to let him get away from the River if I fill up.

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11-06-2008 , 08:42 AM

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donkey_king

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if your read is that he is doing this with air a decent amount I think it's ok to flat flop and get it in on the turn. In this case however it smells like 7's full or some kind of ace so I just stick it in.

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11-06-2008 , 09:45 AM

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Qsoumha

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Originally Posted by joejoe1337

jam the flop, he'll fold 777 a lot of the time

awesome.

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11-06-2008 , 12:00 PM

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joejoe1337

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hmm, okay hes probably not folding 777 that much in PLO100, although I still maintain jamming the flop is the best play

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