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PLO 1/2: Merit in turning 2p into a bluff? PLO 1/2: Merit in turning 2p into a bluff?

04-02-2010 , 07:51 PM
Villain is 55/36/12.8 3-bet % over 150 hands. He plays super aggro in position, raising a lot of flop c-bets about 35% of the time. Earlier, he bet 2/3 pot in a 3 way monotone board with two pair, bet halfpot on a blank turn and gave up on the river. I'm wondering if turning our two pair into a bluff would be a good play in this hand... and if not 3-betting pre a huge mistake.

Absolute Poker $200.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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Hero (CO): $217.80
BTN: $208.84
SB: $462.40
BB: $271.80
UTG: $296.27

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with A 6 7 A
UTG raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 3 folds

Flop: ($17.00) 6 4 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $11.95, Hero calls $11.95

Turn: ($40.90) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero...
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04-02-2010 , 08:21 PM
You really should be 3betting that hand pf against this guy and punish him when he's OOP with garbage. I wouldn't be surprised if you're ahead with TTP here, would think checking back and calling the river isn't the worst play, but I guess bet/fold?
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04-02-2010 , 08:26 PM
def 3bet pre. as played, imo if he had a set/straight he'd have bet more on the flop. i'd just check it back and see what he does on the river, think we're good pretty often but could certainly see him trying to c/c a weak flush or c/r the nut flush if he thot u floated him. if u had the Ad betting seems better.
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04-02-2010 , 09:48 PM
3bet pre and bet fold this turn
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04-02-2010 , 09:58 PM
Having the Ad does nothing expect make sure he's not going to raise your bluff on the turn.
It's not like you're getting him to fold the Kh flush.

Definitely 3Bet PF. Against a guy like that, you should 3Bet a ton IP and look to stack off fairly light given his wide C/R flop range.

Aggro players are successful on average because they force you to play a higher variance game to adjust to their style, lest they run you over completely.

If works well because most players don't like increasing variance, especially in PLO.
they scare you into not 3Betting them, etc...

You ever notice how when Phil Ivey limps UTG in HSP and other TV shows, he rarely gets raised by the weaker players at the table (i.e Lack, etc...)?

Image is extremely powerful and implied threat goes long ways into making other players make less than optimal plays.

If this guy scares you enough that you don't want to play a 3Bet pot against him with AAxx IP....he's already won.

If you're scared because you think he'll put you on AAxx and play perfectly against you, you just need to open up your IP 3Betting range A LOT.

I'd be 3Betting a guy like that with at least 10-15% of hands in the CO and stacking off pretty light.

As played, you're not folding better unless you're willing to fire again on the river to rep a flush and get him off a straight or something, which given by the way you play PF, I doubt is in your arsenal (turn + river bluff).

No need to turn a hand with decent SD value into a bluff, especially in position.
Check back and see what he does on the river.

Doubt he would bluff the river after you call the flop, since the turn pretty much completed every single draw out there.

He'd have to put you exactly on what you have and that's not the majority of your range after calling the flop.

When you check the turn behind, you could do that with a straight, a low flush, a set you're not folding to a river bet, etc...

Given that analysis, I'd probably fold to a large river bet, even though he's so aggressive. You just have to think in terms of what he thinks you have and whether he expects you to fold it to a river bet.

Depends a lot on what he's seen you do before, general history etc...

Last edited by Foldemlow; 04-02-2010 at 10:03 PM.
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04-02-2010 , 10:03 PM
TBH - I think this a great spot to make a bluff - plus it's sort of a semibluff.
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04-02-2010 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by flip2win
TBH - I think this a great spot to make a bluff - plus it's sort of a semibluff.
[ ] Strong arguments.
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04-03-2010 , 07:22 AM
mb its me but i find his post a ton better than your wall of text filled w/ semi-useful random statements.
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04-03-2010 , 10:51 AM
If you don't bet the turn, it will be very hard for you to bet the river. Villain can bet the river after having missed a chance to c/r the turn, putting you in a spot.
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04-03-2010 , 10:52 AM
His point about Hero having the Ad is a good one though.
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04-03-2010 , 01:14 PM
I'd bet/fold this 100% if we hadn't improved to top two. Now that we have, I'd probably bet/fold here anyway, but I'm not sure it's the right play.
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04-03-2010 , 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CZI
I'd bet/fold this 100% if we hadn't improved to top two. Now that we have, I'd probably bet/fold here anyway, but I'm not sure it's the right play.
I agree with you, but isn't two pair pretty weak on this board? I mean, we may have some showdown value, but... if we check behind the turn are we calling a river? Curious on your thoughts.
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04-03-2010 , 01:29 PM
Seems like a pretty easy bet fold.
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04-03-2010 , 02:25 PM
for those of you advocating b/f, why? it definitely can't be for value, because no worse hand is going to call. the reason i'd be betting here is because i don't know if our hand's strong enough to take to showdown. i think if we bet the turn and fire the river, straights would have to fold.
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04-03-2010 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sh1LLa
mb its me but i find his post a ton better than your wall of text filled w/ semi-useful random statements.
It is you.
Sorry you're too dumb to keep more than 3 words at a time in your working memory and make logical connections between them.
Life must be very hard for you.
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04-03-2010 , 05:27 PM
i would.

he won't call without a flush. $30 should get the job done.

Edit: I changed my mind. the best play would be to check back turn, and if he pots river raise him no matter what card comes. Potting the turn looks really bluffy and he might come over the top.

If he doesn't bet river I would check it down and hope you're good at showdown.
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