I VB the river because it's a BD'ed flush. Obviously, if the draw had been present from the flop, I'd c/c, or c/f depending.

I thought it was a good VB, because it looks like I could be on a 3 barrel bluff, etc...I thought he was likely to call with straights, two pair...since it's unlikely I made the flush.

when he shoved, I called (this is Rush, I have no read whatsoever) for the same reasons. Thought he could easily come over the top since it's unlikely I have enough of a hand to call if I'm VB'ing thinly.

Do you guys ever fold 2nd nuts against unknown in this specific spot?



Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $26.71
BB: $25.99
UTG: $37.92
MP: $10.00
CO: $27.48
BTN: $12.36

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with 6 K 8 Q
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) 7 3 A (2 players)
Hero bets $2, UTG calls $2

Turn: ($6.25) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4

River: ($14.25) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $8.50, UTG raises to $18.50, Hero calls $10

This is fine. I like the VB a lot. I think checking the river is terrible because your hand is so well disguised and gets value from a lot of hands.

Like you said, because of the same reasons, it's hard to fold since there's so much incentivve for him to bluff you, so I'd hate it and call, especially with no reads.

Against a known complete nit, you can fold of course...wp, bad luck.

River value bet is fine but fold to a reraise. Do you see what he has?

Value betting the second nuts? You play like a maniac!

I never fold here, but that might just be me.

He had the nuts, but why do you fold? This is not as if the FD was there since the flop.

To fold, we're assuming he always back-doored the absolute nuts at the same time we back-doored the second nuts.

I think it's perfect spot for him to bluff, because when I 3 barrel like that, I could be bluffing myself or VB'ing thinly, etc...

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic (how was that movie, btw?)

Also, are we thinking along the same lines? I just want to know your rationale behind calling, since in other circumstances it's obviously perfectly fine to fold the 2nd nuts.

You wouldn't post this hand if you won it.

This is low stakes and I bet my balls villain flopped two pairs or had high cards to go with his top pair. Turn call is just disgustingly annoying, I think it's pretty obvious what he has there.

But I might be wrong.

I don't hate this hand but there's something not quite right about it.

Pre - u raise oop - risky at the best of times. You got double suited cards which at the end of the day aren't good enough to raise oop with.

Flop - C-bet fine, you're repping A*** here. But when he calls I got to put him on A*** like A LOT of the time. You know you're likely bad now.

Turn - Well you picked up a flush draw, if you check it's too gay for words. Okay here I don't like the bet sizing. I go as little as $2 here or bet something like $1.33 or $2.77. I basically block bet and then fold if he shoves. If he shoves I think he's picked up the flush draw with his ace!

River - Again I bet a bit smaller as I want to get more calls when he's bad and more shoves when he bluffs, but basically it's fine. You can't fold his shove the way you played it as I think there's naked ace clubs in his range a fair bit.

So basically the lesson prolly is - don't raise oop with less than premium hands.

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Dunno if I like the turn. You hardly represent anything. Either bet pot or c/f - leaning towards the second option.

Always

There were a lot of fluids and penetration of things that I would not expect to be penetrated. I feel dirty.

My rational behind calling is simple. I expect him to be shoving hands that arent the nuts more often than are. I am basing this on: 1) the line we have taken up to this point isnt that credible for something as strong as the second nut flush, or at least highly unlikely. 2) I expect people to overvalue worse hands in this spot, and maybe rightfully so. 3) With the ace on the flop and the draw coming on the turn I cant imagine many Axxx hands in his range that didnt get more money in on previous streets, unless he is the biggest nitface in the world.

Do many PLO25 players really bluff raise in a spot like this? I would still call, but it would be to pick off worse flushes, not an outright bluff.

fold pre?

Limp pf

postflop I would have played same way, no way Im bet folding river w/o reads on bdfd.