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Played Plo25, Ready for Plo50 ... i think! Played Plo25, Ready for Plo50 ... i think!

09-27-2009 , 05:30 PM
Hello there!,

Okay so here are my stats so far; Keep in mind though i have played alot more hands then this at plo25...



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I 9 table plo25, and every opponent is usually super passive and limp calls preflop. Then on flop u just look what turns to continue on and barrell barrell all day long.

Plo50 is a bit more aggressive i believe, at this point in time i have about 1,8K and i want to start taking shots at plo50.

One of my weaknesses is reading the strength of my hand compared to my opponents, is there a program that i can use to train this skill?

Any comments or so that can be made from looking at my stats etc?
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09-27-2009 , 06:08 PM
I played with you a decent amount when I was playing PLO 25. You seem to be decent, and definitely have a grip on enough things at this point to be a winner. PLO 50 is a bit more aggressive, with some decent regs, but there are still plenty of bad players (usually 2-3 per table). Jut make sure to continue to table select and play solid aggressive poker and you'll be fine. I'm not sure about any programs out there, I'm not really the cpu type. I just read 2+2, watch some vids, and think about the game.
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09-27-2009 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Hosehound25
I played with you a decent amount when I was playing PLO 25. You seem to be decent, and definitely have a grip on enough things at this point to be a winner. PLO 50 is a bit more aggressive, with some decent regs, but there are still plenty of bad players (usually 2-3 per table). Jut make sure to continue to table select and play solid aggressive poker and you'll be fine. I'm not sure about any programs out there, I'm not really the cpu type. I just read 2+2, watch some vids, and think about the game.
Are you playing plo50 now?

And how does one table select? I never ever table select, i just pick the tables that are open and have players on it. Reason being i want to believe i can beat anyone and if i can't ... well then i want to learn to beat that person.
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09-28-2009 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MrVeteraN
Any comments or so that can be made from looking at my stats etc?
Your PF stats look really good for 9 tabling, probably close to optimal.



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Originally Posted by MrVeteraN
One of my weaknesses is reading the strength of my hand compared to my opponents, is there a program that i can use to train this skill
This is a concerning. If im not mistaken, 7.0 Agg. is like, SUPER HIGH. I would think villans would make adjustments like playing back at you more often/lighter, so your ability to construct a villans true range and calculate your equity against that range should be more refined then most.


Obv: http://www.propokertools.com/ for equity calcs, but thats the easy part.


The hard part is getting a reasonable understanding of villans true range, given the circumstances. It's not enough to know that you are %45 equity against top set; you need to know what your equity is vs. Top set, middle set, Wrap draw, Pair+SD, and maybe a lilttle air sprinkled in if villan would c/r those all just the same. You get more accurate at formulating villan's ranges by playing, I don't really think it could be taught.


Overall, I would expect the transition to be fairly easy for somebody who plays as tight and as aggro as you. Rakeback will be nice at your volume, GL!
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09-28-2009 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MrVeteraN

And how does one table select? I never ever table select, i just pick the tables that are open and have players on it. Reason being i want to believe i can beat anyone and if i can't ... well then i want to learn to beat that person.
You obviously have software and you should be using a HUD. If you are not, a HUD helps a ton with hand reading as you'll now have a better idea of what your opponents' hand ranges are.

If you are using a HUD (and you should be 9 tabling), you'll be able to see what your opponents stats are. If you're at a table with 5 other TAGs that are playing 20% of their hands aggressively, what is the point? It takes 2 seconds to open a new table or get on a waiting list. Your winrate at tables with bad players will be way larger than at a table with other good players and that is all you should really care about.

Who cares if you can beat good players? You'll NEVER be able to have as good a winrate against a good player than you will against a bad player. You're playing PLO25 and 50. This isn't the world series. You should be trying to max out your win rate. I also play those stakes and it's fine with me if you want to trade money with a bunch of TAGs and feed the rake and stay out of my good tables but IMO it's just a waste of time when switching tables is so easy.
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09-28-2009 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MrVeteraN
Are you playing plo50 now?

And how does one table select? I never ever table select, i just pick the tables that are open and have players on it. Reason being i want to believe i can beat anyone and if i can't ... well then i want to learn to beat that person.
I dont think wanting to beat tough players is the right attitude to have at 25plo. Moving up as quickly as possible should be your main concern. There are a few tough lags on ftp and I usually dont bother warring w/ them. Sounds like u have more of a hu mentality.

As for table selecting, one of the beauties of 25plo is u dont have to do it. Theres 4 fish on every table basically. For me I have notes on the worst of the worst players and I bumhunt them pretty relentlessly. Buts thats not exactly nec at 25, will be later tho when ur playing higher.

Also I think your aggr level has worked at 25plo over a pretty small sample, but 1) I wouldnt count on that be ur true winrate, and 2) 25plo players are like nails, they just let u pound on them repeatedly cuz they dont know what else to do. Im not sure how well these stats would work at 50 or 100plo w/o something more to back them up. Just something to keep in mind.

Last edited by SeeThomasHowl; 09-28-2009 at 12:21 PM.
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09-28-2009 , 01:14 PM
Thanks for all the replies and tips!,

So it seemes like you think im having too much Agg, which is 7.65 at this point in time on PLO25.

The reality is that i dont even know what that means!

Agg is me barreling too much or what?

Edit: Also, anyone interested in some sweat sessions or such, then PM me.

Last edited by MrVeteraN; 09-28-2009 at 01:16 PM. Reason: spelling, more info
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09-28-2009 , 01:30 PM
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I wouldnt make a conscious effort to change it cuz its been working well for u. And its probably the way to go when your 9tabling vs a very weak field. But if your trying to improve things like reads/notes, handreading skills, in-game equity calcing, etc., u may need to slow things down a little w/ the # of tables ur playing which should lead u to play more exploitably and less "optimally" which will just naturally bring your AF down.
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