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02-20-2011 , 02:10 AM
As much as I hate these types of threads, I think there are relevant decisions on all postflop streets, and that I played the hand pretty terribly.

I dont have any notes on him, but his stats are

32/19/6.3 vpip/pfr/3b
53/12/63/0/25 fold to cb/raise cb/fold turn cb/raise turn cb/WTSD

Full Tilt Poker $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $244.00
Hero (CO): $176.75
BTN: $423.95
SB: $201.90
BB: $41.00
UTG: $113.35

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with T A Q 3
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN calls $4.50, 1 fold, BB calls $3.50, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($18.50) 9 Q A (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $13.00, BTN calls $13, BB folds, MP folds

Turn: ($44.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero ???

I think his flop calling range is AQxx/ KJTx/JT8x, QQxx, 99xx. He doesnt seem to raise the turn ever anyway and if I bet my hand looks like AA/QQ/99/KJTdd type hands so I doubt he will shove with less than QQ, and may fold AQxx. If I check, my hand range is either going for a c/r with the nutted hands or c/f whatever moderate draw I dont think is worth putting another barrel in with.

So, should I bet, hoping to fold some chops, see rivers on my terms and have the option to check any river and have him check the vast portion of his range back for fear that I either had a big draw and bricked and will fold anyway, or have a big hand and am letting him bluff his bricked draws, or check and either fold or shove? Like I said, if I check, it should seem like its either to c/f whatever junk I may have cbet for whatever reason, or to c/r my nutted hands/nut draws. If I do check, what kind of range should I put him on for betting, and is that range strong enough that I should be c/f if I check?

sorry for rambles.

anf yah i should bet 15 otf instead
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02-20-2011 , 02:22 AM
there is a lot of thought/text at the bottom.

i am just looking at the top where u said u played the hand terribly.

not sure how u think that...
raise with decentish hand

flop top two...bet

turn still top two

if ur worried he is nitrolling just check call
if he is lagtard then check raise for value

?? profit ??

Last edited by pkrtxs; 02-20-2011 at 02:24 AM. Reason: i am really confused that u say u played hand terribly. did u do some retarded **** that we are not seeing?
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02-20-2011 , 02:24 AM
cause as played so far that we can see its super duper standard.
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02-20-2011 , 02:37 AM
bet biggerish

if a maeng is 6.3 3bet on the button, i dont give him credit for a hand here and bet for value/protection
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02-20-2011 , 02:42 AM
stole from other forums hot chick posts.

bet for value/good story. take her home imo.

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02-20-2011 , 02:56 AM
off topic but so ****ing yummy. link to thread maeng?

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02-20-2011 , 03:08 AM
You played terribly by cbetting the flop? I don't get it. Just type O~o ~\o o}O in the chat before you do anything and profit.
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02-20-2011 , 05:38 AM
Txs, I dont see how c/c can ever be a good line here on the turn. If hes nitrolling he has me crushed and if he has a draw he gets to see the river for his bet. If I bet and he calls and the river is a blank, what is my line there?

TP, river line on blanks?

SK, will remember the chatbox/click line.

No, I dont think the cbet was bad. It was super standard besides a little small on the sizing. I think I played the other streets like a moran.

Last edited by gimmetheloot; 02-20-2011 at 05:44 AM.
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02-20-2011 , 06:30 AM
I like c/r turn. A little deeper and I'd bet just over half pot / fold.

If you bet and he calls, then bet a third pot / fold river.
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02-20-2011 , 07:28 AM
pf fine

flop fine

bf turn, no need to give free card for straightdraws ect.

whats the question
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02-20-2011 , 02:19 PM
well, i guess the main one is, what do we do on blank rivers?
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02-20-2011 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
well, i guess the main one is, what do we do on blank rivers?
assuming we bet and he calls, maybe a c/c if you think he would bluff or a smallish value bet if he's not prone to bluffing in case he has a weaker two pair. If it's a diamond I'm taking the c/c line, if it's a blank I'd bet most likely.
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02-20-2011 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
well, i guess the main one is, what do we do on blank rivers?
bc or cc/cr
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02-20-2011 , 03:56 PM
Seems more of a tiltpost to me than anything, even though I respect your game gimmetheloot. You can butcher this turn too hard.

Wait do you think he is sloplaying his whole range on flop? I mean, I know lots of players flat sets here, but from your OP it's like he will never raise flop ever. Up to turn, everything is good.

Bet/folding looks good on turn, but if you wouldn't know how to handle a raise on turn considering the villain, don't bet. C/Ring is spewy and gets called by more better than worse, so C/Cing, even though weak, can be a good line here.

After betting turn, we can c/c blank rivers comfortably.
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02-20-2011 , 10:05 PM
its so flow specific, x/c, x/c isnt a bad line if you think hes going to rep everything, if hes calls too lite post keep betting. can he float? can he rep draws? can he turn hands into bluffs? these are more pertinent questions to ask than your ramblings
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02-20-2011 , 11:06 PM
The only relevant question there is if he can rep draws with QQ/99 here, which, im sure he can have, so yes. Turning hands into bluffs and floating in his spot is just lol imo.

Im pretty sure I should bet/fold the turn and time a little and check the river and fold regardless of what hits.
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02-21-2011 , 12:50 AM
because he can never flat w/ JT+bd draws/equity, or Qjt type hands that he can realize dont have much sd equity. or he can realize on turns w/ hands like kjt that he may have some Fe ott,
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02-21-2011 , 01:36 AM
ya sure he can, but I dont think he bets those very much at all because I am often going to be c/r him here and he doesnt wanna get blown off those hands. Sure when I check the turn he is gonna have SOME FE, but prob not that much given that I bet this flop 4 way. If he can see the river for 1 flop bet hes gonna be making money even if its just with JT, but if he gets c/r and either puts a ton of money in bad or folds its ://////// for him
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02-21-2011 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja
pf fine

bf turn, no need to give free card for straightdraws ect.
bf turn/?? bc no?
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02-21-2011 , 02:36 AM
I did here some counts

1 - 59.1% (26 of 44) are scary cards
2, 3, 4, 6 and 7 of diamonds and any 5, 8, 9, T, J and K

2 - 9.1% (4 of 44) improves your had to the nut (considering villan doenst hold AA**)
two A and two Q

3 - 31.8% (14 of 44) are blank cards (6 of them, or 13.6% of total can still be scary, supposing villan holds JT98, but its a very small part of his range)

If hero bets and villan calls, what to do in each of theese cases

1 - c/f?
2 - bet and if possible raise?
3 - c/c or b/c?

I would like to see your opnions about this.
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02-21-2011 , 03:44 AM
5 is not a scary card, its a pretty nut card for me. but any other awful card i c/f or b/f for like $22 or something that I can be using to induce and get him to incorrectly fold some draws/possibly see SD.

2, betting small again or shoving it in.

3 - I think I c/f. he should believe I am c/c with my nutted hands here to let him bluff his huge range of bricked out draws so he should be shoving them pretty fkn rarely. He will almost surely check AQ back, and possibly 99 as well. I only really expect QQ to bet.
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02-21-2011 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by WhateverSon
bf turn/?? bc no?
bf.
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