Only have 99 hands on villain he is 17/5. No reads. Does anyone ever bluff like this?

If he's 19/5 i assume villain is never bluffing here. It's an odd spot where he really only can have one hand, but i just don't see what else he ever has here.

He may have played the wheel very carefully bc of the flush draw. Seems weird he does not raise the turn though. I would have . It seems like you made a nice fold

i think its a fairly easy fold VS a 19/5. He can only really have 45** here. nits make me cry

yeah vs this type of player w/o further reads i fold here pretty fast, vs some more creative players its an odd spot since his range is so polarized to nuts or air.

So lets change it to Mr. 28/24, but we still have no reads?

until we have a read on them bluffing rivers i still fold. he should only be raising straight and sometimes sets for value if we are decent. id expect him to flat river with AJ

this makes it a lot closer forward call, since he should´ve raise ott! and i think i call and take note given odds!

but also stats like calling cbets otf, raise cbet, AFq, AF etc should be interesting! if hes aggro and looks like capable of bluffing i think ill look him up here with this good odds i get + notes i can take!

dont think sets and AJ, makes here much different since OP reps strong, so there should be really just raise air or straights...

I'd call the river.

I don't see a real compelling reason to bet the river. You picked up showdown equity, and imo should be fine with seeing who wins the hand without further betting. Seems like you are turning your hand into a bluff for little reason. Could very easily be folding the best hand.

cry and call or fold based on how many times I've triple barred this guy.
deff leaning towards fold though, pretty strong line.

What exactly do you hope to get called from by a 19/5 otr? I check/decide here all day.

It's only 99 hands. After this hand or the next he became a 20/8. So yeah hardly concrete stats.

I'm value betting against an unknown. I don't see a problem with it personally. I assume he check back all 2 prs and AK/AQ with flush draw types that might get curious and also I might fold the split.

Still the point remains....

Answered in post above yours.

What worse is calling 3 streets? A2, A3 J8?? I think you are kidding yourself if you honestly think that was a value bet. What better is folding? No set is folding and of course 45 isn't. You probably have the best hand, but it can't stand any heat so just check it down if you can or c/call a river bet. Betting just set you up to either fold the best hand or getting value pwned by better.

c/snap river.

17/5 is pre-flop read - has nothing to do with post-flop tendencies, especially river play

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yes, u did post that. just had to add because the first 3 or 4 replies pegged him as a super nit

fwiw I much rather call vs someone with these stats than someone playing 22/15 with 2 AF. Someone bad (like his stats suggest) is way more likely to bluff in this spot where you ~never have nuts (your betsizing) but he doesn't really rep much either, than someone who is a solid reg but bit on the tighter/passive side. Bad players bluff because your hand looks weak (or they just feel like bluffing), good players tend to bluff in spots where they rep a credible value range - not just because your line looks non-nutted.

I think there's valid arguments for both betting and checking the river, but I have no idea how the **** most of you can think this is an easy fold.

pfr stats are not irrelevant. They (17/5) betray an ultra conservative mindset. 100 hands is plenty for a rough estimate of vpip.

I would fold.

+1. Also the fact, that he plays so tight, makes it more unlikely he has 45 in his hand.