Seaking, I have no idea who you on pokerstars or ftp, or if you played this high, but looks like not. Otherwise you would very well understand how much of an issue it is to never be able to get a seat with a whale.

I am not the best writer and I am sorry for this. I know I often come over cocky and once again I am sorry about it too, just fooling around most of the time.

However, this issue has nothing to do with me, has nothing to do with my person. I am not angry about the 20 bucks droga4444 has stolen from me but how those scripts still work very well for them. Something else came into my mind lately is that when I played with drogba, im2xmxu, masoren, ironlady and sneXXk they were all so nitty. That drogba guy was playing about 11/4, they were not really fighting for pots vs each other at all. No SB vs BB plays unless with the fish included. Maybe some collusion going on there as well.

I mean we are talking about how not starting 6max game seems to be an issue but in reality sitting out when fish is reloading and those scripts is much much more a problem. Just think about how much money they must have made playing in those games. Another problem which I have been mentioning all the time occurs right here, I have to check the lobby every 30 seconds in order to get a seat in a good game, no way I am willing to start tables because I will have to pay attention to the actual play instead of the lobby.

Whoever goes to the meeting, please mention this. I highly doubt stars will do nothing against it if it is easy to detect.

It is basically a certainty that the people with the script are colluding with each other.

I was approached by someone about the program, and they referred to themselves as a team and wanted 40% of my profits for access to the program.

wow disgusting.

PS must definitely do something about it.

This is extremely worrying. The fact that the people who hav access to the script are a group of members, and to become part of the group is so profitable that its worth a 40% tax on winnings is incredible. Everything abou this is suspicious, makes people speculate, doubt the integrity of the games. Which part of this positive for the community and legitimacy of high stakes poker?

I want to hear more information from players like krmont22 who have been approached about getting "in" on this ring of cheating players

wow, this is rly sick

Its the most modern cheating and fnin stars allow it, how????

It seems to me a team of 5 guys gets to play the same fish and they all share their profits together. That sounds like collusion to me.

well, 60% of something is better than 40% of nothing, as they wouldnt be able to win without it. It is funny that they all play very similar, which makes me think the ringleader may have taught them, or something along these lines. I personally dont think theyre colluding ingame, but wouldnt be surprised if they were.

this seating script ordeal makes me angry - seriously

Anyone else got approached?

@krmont: is it inappropriate to tell their us their names? Or at least to ps to check out those accounts about collusion more frequently.

I also really get insyder's point about how much they won in this game etc.
Really frustrating for guys like me

They dont have to collude, cause if you ****ing team play 5 against 1 and split profits and do the refunds afterwards it doesnt ****ing matter after all.

Can someone email Stars and ask to look into P2P transfers amongst those accounts and possibly besthanding etc.

its disgusting, i wouldnt be suprised if its a pokerhouse, or a few of the guys on the table are in the same room/apartments, they more than likely know each other, and are computer savvy.

its like stars are just praying it doesnt get worse, they know its a problem, but refuse to take action.

they are giving probably one of the biggest depositors on there site an unpleasant experience, everytime he busts , he changes tables, probably to play vs different people, but gets the same people everytime, they need to step up here, its beyond ridiculous

They don't need to share hole cards/best hand/etc to collude (but they very well may do this too). If 5 guys at a 6 max game share bankrolls and profits, that is collusion as I understand it.

I don't have any names or anything. I was contacted anonymously.

Wtf?!!

Come on stars, it's time to react. How can they be still playing?

Krmont, I think you should email stars with usernames, ... if you have them.
So disgusting

Edit : Ok, just read the post above mine. Totally agree, it's pure collusion. What's the point in playing normally vs people who will ship you your money if you lose it to them?

out these mf'ers already

I think anyone who suspects an account or several accounts should e-mail Stars immediately with their SNs. There is literally no downside and they will definitely investigate the accounts in question.

they jsut have to check which guys played by far the most hands with julia...

so why exactly is pokerstars continuing to allow those with these scripts to play when they know its an ongoing problem?

because they cannot prove theyre using them and it raises the whole argument about every poker related software out there.

You wrong on that one, PSclient has monitors what kind of stuff you run on your computer and IPs of websites you visit.

Ok, I'm not playing a single hand on Stars before this issue has been investigated and they commit to dealing with the scripts. Already signed the petition, hope everyone here will do so as well.

Can we make a list of nicks here, i know that we think of the same guys and they all post here. Its pretty obvobv even if its shhhshhhh.

Just so all our reports contain the same names...

This is so totaly fckd... Its destroying our winrates as well as the games them self

This is outrageous cheating as far as I'm concerned. I'm amazed that Stars allows this for so much time, it's terrible. And after that they wonder why the recreationals feel hunted and don't want to deposit anymore...It's not so hard to detect it either, the pattern is so obvious.

But I think the right play here was to promise them the 40%, then get the script and out it to everyone. It's the only way to effectively counter them because if everyone has it then Stars will be obliged to act on these scripts. Now they can investigate, they can even close some accounts but new ones will be open and it'll be all the same.

It shouldn't be a poker house. Most of them are swedish tho. Couple are from the UK I think. Remember last year or 18 months ago couple Swedes already got banned on Stars for colluding in some PLO games?

As for the names of those players in question, I mean drogba444 NEVER ever plays any other game than with juxxxxx or snxxxx. im2xmxu plays with the most fish, masoren and ironlady too. My database isn't huge enough to check for others. Would be pretty good if PTR was still up...

the country locations are just where an account is registered to, its not from where they play from

I think it's not unlikely there's at least SOME colluding.

It's not against the rules, just like HUDS (right?) and I don't think there's much stars can do about it, so seems they're just content to let it go - for now. Seems like zoom rising in popularity or a similar solution would alleviate the problem.