so we only have 2 sec more to act pre compared to fast tables now?

I only take a few sec on every decision and it doesn't matter if pre or postflop, so it would be great to increase the "time to muck" a bit(I hope I'm getting this right: does this "time to muck" mean, that the 20 sek are over and 2 secs are taken from the timebank?). It's always tilting for me if one table times out(it's only happening, if the action is pre), because I play in cascade mode and then I get probs with the time on all the other tables.

I think "Time to muck" is the time for which the "Show cards" and "Don't show cards" buttons appear at the end of the hand.

This.

The 'warning time' value doesn't affect how long you have to act, it just controls when the warning alert happens. 8 seconds means 8 seconds prior to your time running out.

Keep in mind that 'time running out' for many situations will mean the time bank being activated, not your hand being mucked.

You get the same time to act as fast tables (as I read) it before it start to eat into your timebank that will more needed already, esp if you play lower then 5/10.

Think its really bad almost cutting it in half pre and I really hope Stars will make some compromise in the best interest of their players not in maxing rake everywhere.

As I said before rather look into those clearly playing more tables they can handle and reduce their maximum tables cap temporarily or permanent, instead of making it worse for everyone.

Edit: this will make tablestarting much harder for those playing other tables at the same time. That part is bad for everyone.

I do really think changing the warning limit from 15 to 8 second is a bad solution for Stars and I hope they will keep it as it is. I do also think having the same time to act in PLO as NL HOLDEM is wrong (both PREFLOP and POSTFLOP: Preflop in PLO is very complex, more so then NLHE because of more cards / combos and multiway equity matchups that actually can be very though) This means players needs more time to think in PLO than in NL.


Odd_Oddsen

+1 pretty much. Would rather like stars be "tougher" and cap the amount of tables regs which is very slow can play instead of reducing the time limits of everyone else.

Think that the only winner by reducing time limits is stars (cuz of reducing ppls winrate by giving them less time to think, and more rake for stars)

Is it me or is it just NL converts that do this ridiculous tanking forever whenever they make their value shove on the river (hu games)

Spare me the 30 seconds of my life you have wasted

Im with skjer and oddsen on this one. As a game starter there are allready enough disadvantages for us and cutting in preflop time would make it even less desirable to start games. furthermore, PLO is indeed more complicated pre and postflop compared to NLHE so a divison between the two games makes sense, if pokerstars doesnt want to accomodate this than I strongly hope that they give sufficient time and limit players more in the amount of games rather than in the time per game.

lautie

lautie you are a boss (i am/was broseph321 on stars). The broseph rule appears to be getting enacted about 17 months too late.

I don't really mind cutting the time down to whatever number because I rarely ever use much time but I know that not everyone is not the same way and def agree with lautie/odds/skjery that PLO and NL timers should def not be the same and esp when playing bunch of tables and trying to start tables could see that being a pretty big deterrent for some of the people that regularly do it while grinding a bunch of other games to the point where they stop doing it

also rip broseph comeback attempt with this change

Is this the real life?

cswidler: i wanna do flips
urubu111: ull
xxx: i know someone who will join you
Dealer: cswidler, it's your turn. You have 15 seconds to act
urubu111: im the right person to u say this
urubu111: but wrong time
cswidler: lol sick
xxx: haha
Dealer: Regular time for player cswidler has expired, TIME BANK has been activated
Dealer: Hand #86909790768: xxx wins pot ($130.74)
cswidler: so who will join me?
xxx: i dont sorry
Dealer: Hand #86909885638: cswidler wins pot ($9.60)
Dealer: Hand #86909901622: cswidler wins pot ($76.30)
xxx: but im sure if you talk to urubu a bit
xxx: he will join you
Dealer: Hand #86909933240: cswidler wins pot ($9.60)
cswidler: uru
urubu111: i dont want flips today
xxx: just use your negotiating powers
urubu111: haha
cswidler: looool
urubu111: no. im taking a break from them
cswidler: lol
urubu111: lose my house fliping

jesus +1 for time changes being terrible. Only stars win. Cap the table limit.

Another reason to not do this is the changes will make it difficult to even one table for a recreational player. I think the complexity of the game is being underestimated. Why fix something that isn't broken?

Capping the number of tables of the slowest players seems like a much better solution than the one proposed as the preflop time seems quite fast. I am definitely in favour of getting rid of fast tables though as someone who usually plays 6-12 tables.

I believe too that PLO times should be longer than NLHE times.

What was the deal with broseph? I always got the impression he was deliberately timing down, just to annoy people, e.g he'd do stuff like 4 bet pot the flop to 99.9% of his stack when it was clear I was instajamming - everyone else I know keeps that table up to snap the shove - but he'd time down forever. What happened to him?

He didn't give a **** about it. Black Friday fixed it.

The problem with giving less time preflop is when your connection isnt solid, for example playing in a hotel or on your phone using 3G etc.

Maybe stars could make preflop activate your time bank automatically if your connection dips below a certain % (can have this as an option?) otherwise I can see people timing out a lot when their connection is not 100%.

However I am all for having a bit less time to act on the flop, turn and river - that is why you have a time bank.

You always came off like a whiny bi.tch. And you are still complaining? Pathetic. Enjoy your games on good old pokerstars.

LOL, how is this complaining? I just stated the facts.

pokerstars Steve and pokerstarsBaard, pls read this:

agree a LOT w this. more people would be playing 25/50 if this happens...

its a huge jump play 25/50.. 10/20 doesn't run too often, so if you are a 10/20 reg, your grind usually has lots of 5/10 tables... 5/10-10/20 to 25/50 is huge diference...

thats why many people play for years at mid stakes and dont play 25/50. 10/20reg has avg buy in 1,5k (because he need plays 5/10 because not many tables runs at 10/20), so if you lose 3buy ins at 25/50 (which happens every 10min at plo), you just lose 10 avg buy ins in your standard game...thats sick.

disagree with this completely. i dont think adding in 15/30 20/40 would suddenly make people play 2550. it would probably dilute the player pools at 1020 & 2550 that much more. if you want people to play more 2550, inject the poker economy with more "fish" or stop producing strategy/videos teaching new players that bumhunting is ok and "part of the game". if the large % of players had less extreme game selection, more games would run! edit: didn't a ton of 10/20, 2550 run when the legend pokrparty! was grinding every day? all it takes is a few guys like that. (doesnt have to be so extreme but hopefully you get the point.) simply speaking though, if you had a bigger player pool, more games would run.. think lowstakes NL/PLO.

also.. part of the awesome part of poker is making the jump from 10/20 to 25/50... and 25/50 to 50/100+. call it a "leap of faith" if you want.


can't find better "leap of faith" gif.

people play midstakes forever because they either aren't good enough to make the jump, get railed by variance, or just hate the variance and want to play stress free poker there. people also have the option of selling a longterm %. if you are that good, it shouldnt be an issue! pretty sure some other sites offer 15/30-20/40 and 2550 doesn't suddenly run because people have those options.

to fix short stack problem simply up the minbuyin...

Very good post TCorbin. Diluting player pool is def not optimal on those stakes and its plenty of 10 20 running.

it does seem dumb that the biggest jump is at higher stakes, 20/40 -30/60 - 50/100 makes way moree sense, but fish dont rly give a fk, so cant rly see anything being changed.

The 15/30 players would be the same guys who play 10/20 and 25/50 now so it would be even less 10/20 running in the future. On iPoker you can go from $2/4 to €2/4 to $3/6 to ₤2/5 to €3/6 so you end up playing a gazillion different stakes simoultanously which is horrible imo.