Okay, so I multi-table around 9-14 tables. I used to use PT/PA hud; however, I just got omaha manager. Over my last 10 days(approx. 50k hands), I am definitely very positive with my showdown winnings, and I am negative with my non-showdown winnings. I thought that this was strange.
I am curious to if this is standard?
If there are players out there with positive non-showdown winnings, I would like to know what I could work on to keep mine positive.
Maybe more bluff raising?
Or maybe less floating?
Any information regarding this would be super helpful.
Thanks.

Use the search... this has been discussed plenty. You will virtually never have positive non-showdown winnings in PLO over a meaningful sample.

I searched, but I found nothing significant. I would love to see what other peoples nonshowdown winnings are over a meaningful sample.
Over 50k hands, I am down close to 40 Buy ins.
I am curious to if other people see if other peoples nonshowdown winnings are so negative. I play a lot of tables, and I have played 50k hands in last like 10 days.
I am profiting over 10bb/100 over these 50k hands, but if I was just thinking maybe this was a leak in my game.
Maybe I am calling too much to give up on a later street. Like maybe I am floating a little too often.
If anyone could post numbers from their own game I would greatly appreciate it.

fyp

and lol @ original statement

lol, when nits try to explain their stats

This topic about showdown/non-showdown winnings is ******ed. The only number that matters is your overall (expected) win rate.

discuss

That pretty much sums up the entire topic. SD/non-SD winnings are a function of your style of play and opponents.

for every 1 dollar lost at non-sd, someone else is winning it

Cool, find me a 100k sample with a positive red line then?

you seriously think no one is going to have a positive non-sd line at plo over a large sample?

If there's a graph like that then no, I haven't seen it. Is it theoretically possible? I suppose so, if you table select and only play against nits or something, or if you have an extremely aggro style and are a supreme hand reader / finest bluffer the world has ever known. I just don't think that it's probable that unless conditions are perfect, you can get through all of those times you correctly called a draw but missed or had to fold on a later street because your hand was obviously no longer good.

It's a question that people are overly concerned with and it gets asked zillions of times. How do I raise my red line! People come from NL holdem and say mmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaannnnnnnnn I'm losing a lot in non-SD pots, WUT DO I DO?!?! Like there's some magic secret that they're missing.

fyp. if anyone has this (gordo nudge nudge) but doesn't wanna post it here plz PM it to me and change my whole perspective on life.

http://img42.imageshack.us/i/nonsdw.jpg/

Sidebets anyone that they will be positive over 100k overall?

to me its actually the other way around. I seriously can't believe that people dont' have non-sd winnings.. But I guess it all depends on your own style of play. Personally, the way I play I think Im overall breakeven in SD pots. So all my winnings come from my red line. I only have like 40k hands tho. Ill send it to you kutty.

nice graphs dudes- i'm such a nit. Is this possible at 5-10 + where people will be more apt to get it in light?

I assume that even the nits do not assume that this myth about non sd winnings is even remotely applicable to HUPLO.

to me it looked like a positive non-sd line to me

http://www.pokerisivut.com/forum/dow...4971&mode=view

Hope the link works. This guy is 12+ tabling midstakes, so it's possible even when mass-multitabling.

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FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU sry for bump... I thought I was on page 2 but it was more like 2 mirrion.

I guess its theoretically possible for everyone to lose money in poker because of the rake.... but isn't poker a zero sum game? So I think if poker is a zero sum game and I lose a dollar, that has to be balanced. I'm going to give an equation to model the situation 0 = -1 + 1 (the -1 is the dollar I lose, the +1 is the dollar someone else gains)

this is only true in heads up pots, right? any time 3 or more players put money into the pot and then 2 of them go to showdown there is non-sd money lost and no non-sd money won. am i missing something?

you are right ike. krmont's post is sort of correct but essentially misleading.

my non-SD is very negative over a very winning sample so I really doubt it's possible, mainly because of scenarios like ike mentioned

yes, which means that if you sum everyone's non-sd line it goes down, but there are plenty of people with long term positive red lines nonetheless.

its definitely possible. but i believe a consistently upward trending (not break-even) non-sd winnings line in 5-6 handed mid-stakes represents more of a leak than a strength (in most cases anyway).