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07-05-2016 , 07:43 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $38.71 (154.8 bb)
BB: $26.59 (106.4 bb)
MP: $7.80 (31.2 bb)
CO: $60.31 (241.2 bb)
BTN: $43.17 (172.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q 9 Q J
MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $1, MP calls $1, CO calls $1

Flop: ($5) 9 9 Q (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($5) 5 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.87, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.87

River: ($10.74) A (2 players)
Hero bets $5.25, BB calls $5.25

BB is 58/41 / 33%coldcall / 48%agg / 400 hands

I like my checks both on flop and turn, once villain bets I start getting lost.

I tought about raising but being my cards blocking almost all the board I tought I was going to throw out all villain hands. I decided to just call. On the river I had the issue again, check/raising or leading?

Thinking about the hand now, I would have liked a check/raise because we extract max value against underfulls and maybe some flush that get crazy and call.

Being he that aggressive, he should be betting all his boats and flushes.

I don't like my size neither, would bet near pot on the river better than small size. He calls us there just with boats and flushes, and I think that hands are indiferents to size.

what do you think about it?
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07-05-2016 , 08:51 PM
x/r river. we have it locked down on the flop fair enough. I'd check here too as we shouldn't have too many 9's nor QQxx. When he best the 5c, strong flushes and A9 would be my value hands for villain. They hit river. I don't think we can pot because our percieved range is AAxx so we may lose value from smaller flushes that b/f river and by betting we take away the possibility for villain to bluff.

I like x/raise, if you think villain won't value bet T high flush or something like that however I prefer a larger sized lead.
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07-06-2016 , 09:59 AM
I dont hate the flop check, but lead the turn. Too big of a risk it checks through again and people could even bluff raise you as you look like you have KK/AA. once we get there, id bet bigger on the river. I dont think he bets enough if you check on that specific river. ON a low spade a CR is much better
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07-06-2016 , 10:39 AM
Its boring, but I think just bet/bet/bet is a much better line unless you have specific reads to say otherwise.

I do actually like your river lead as played, but you can get a bit more value.
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07-06-2016 , 11:11 AM
I probably check, bet, bet but if the table is very stationy I probably bet, bet bet to get some more value out of the straight and flush draws that shouldn't call with that big family pot. If I didn't have a 9 in my hand, I would bet bet bet.
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07-06-2016 , 02:13 PM
Seems fine, and I pref leading river rather than x'r
I think you can consider x'r turn since pot is 4way and villain's range is usually going to be pretty strong despite your blockers, but it's w/e
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07-07-2016 , 06:16 AM
Checking flop is pretty good since with your overall range you'd be checking most boards with most of your range 4 ways.

I think x/r turn is interesting but there's honestly not much in his range that are happy calling a x/r so x/c is fine.

River you should lead much bigger. Strong flushes and 2nd best boats will probably call pot as well as 1/2 pot.

Not sure how often a river x/r gets you more value than if you lead. Like, if you check he should be value betting all of his boats, all of his strong flushes and bluff with some of his missed draw blocker type hands but can't be certain how much of that range bet/calls as opposed to bet/ fold so lead overall seems the best.
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07-07-2016 , 09:29 AM
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I like my checks both on flop and turn, once villain bets I start getting lost.
change the last word to happy
Anyway iam not a fan of leading river overall cause its pretty hard to balance but in this particular spot its better. We block 9x as well so i think its fine to lead half pot to get calls from flushes or sometimes from an ace.
But after flop play i usually bet out w my OP so its fine to do it with qq as praetor said

Last edited by naggeri; 07-07-2016 at 09:35 AM.
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07-07-2016 , 04:11 PM
Not a fan of any street to be honest. I like bet, bet, bet alot more. or atleast lead turn, maybe c/r river.

The reason is I think its not rare with 9x out there and for them half the deck completes either a flush or a straight.
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07-07-2016 , 05:55 PM
Looking at the hand now, I see no reason for leading small on the river. Betting bigger must be the way to go, specially against a fishy player who will have a hard time folding any flush
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07-08-2016 , 03:41 AM
I think I like betting $2 on the flop and going from there. In my experience, this leads to a lot of awful calls from fishy players and can induce action now or later. Checking looks like a slowplay and betting much more is usually enough to get them to fold draws.

As played, I actually like the turn and river just fine. I feel like ppl check back this river a lot with flushes or AQ, and half pot is the magic amount to make fish call almost anything in my experience.
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07-08-2016 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullten
Not a fan of any street to be honest. I like bet, bet, bet alot more. or atleast lead turn, maybe c/r river.

The reason is I think its not rare with 9x out there and for them half the deck completes either a flush or a straight.
I missed that we actually block a 9 :P
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07-08-2016 , 04:43 PM
In a spot/thread like this, there will be two types of answers. Im not sure what you are looking for?
1) A way to play this hand from an overall strategy
2) The best explorative way to plays this hand at PLO25
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07-08-2016 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Grethe
In a spot/thread like this, there will be two types of answers. Im not sure what you are looking for?
1) A way to play this hand from an overall strategy
2) The best explorative way to plays this hand at PLO25
All valuable information for the OP.
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07-09-2016 , 05:38 PM
Would usually begin with a smallish flop bet against a field of fishy players. With the BB in the pot I like the double check line. I'm also check-raising the river; BB's range should be relatively light in hands that call a bet but would also check back.
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07-09-2016 , 06:39 PM
Post your own stats so answers might be helpfull...

But without any info bet flop 1/2 pot and then 2/3 ott and otr.

As played I think river is fine.
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