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Live 5/5 Nut Wrap v. Passive Opponent Live 5/5 Nut Wrap v. Passive Opponent

01-13-2017 , 02:51 PM
I think this hand was badly misplayed but I want your guys' opinions:

4-handed

Mississippi Straddle to $15

Hero is BB with As7d6c5d

Pre-Flop ($25):

SB ($400) calls $15
Hero ($1055) calls $15
Villain ($1500) calls $15
BTN ($265) raises to $75
SB calls $75
Hero calls $75
Villain calls $75

Flop ($300): Ks4c3h

SB checks
Hero checks
Villain bets $300
BTN goes all-in for $190
SB folds
Hero goes all-in for $980
Villain calls $680

(Will reveal results later)

I feel like pre-flop was badly misplayed. I either should've raised as a steal with a marginal holding or folded. I don't think going to $60 pre is terrible if deep enough but I think flatting is even given the price of 3.5:1 because it invited UTG to call and we'll be taking a flop likely 4-ways with a hand that usually flops marginal wraps/flush draws/top and bottom. It creates a tough spot. If the ace were suited I would be much more excited about playing this hand but I think I should've folded pre in both spots (more so in the second because of less maneuverability as a result of stack depth.)

We see one of the best possible flops for our hand imo. I decided to check, which I think is a good decision. I think I'm going to be checking my whole range in this spot to protect my checking range. After I check I think I will be check-raising my KKxx, 44xx, and most of my strong wraps. I will be check-calling with hands like OESD + BDFD, top pairs that can turn equity, 33xx, and all of my two-pair combos. If the short stack moves in I think I will call it off with almost all of my top pairs because I will be priced in and I think he will be mainly weighted towards AAxx (although this does give the player behind me that I am deep with an excellent check-raising opportunity, so maybe this is incorrect?) I decided to raise with the nut wrap, which I think is a good play considering the spot I am in because I think I will do the same with all of my 44xx and KKxx so I will be fairly balanced in this spot.

Notes on Villain: Villain has been incredibly passive throughout the entire session and has check/called without a hand and seldom leads out without one.

Notes on BTN: In a one hour session this is only the 2nd time I have ever seen the button raise pre-flop.

Notes on SB: Seemed to be solid.
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01-13-2017 , 03:01 PM
Pre is garbage
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01-13-2017 , 03:01 PM
pre is a fold both times. this is a very weak non nut hand, only rarely playable, for example in the sb after a few loose passive fish limp if the BB is tame. you have to play pretty tight in the blinds vs a mississippi straddle since you basically UTG. raising would have been much worse.

probably against passive and presumably loose villain you are better off just calling and folding turn if the board pairs.
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01-13-2017 , 05:19 PM
I think I would be betting into the field here, you lose all fold equity by checking
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01-18-2017 , 09:24 AM
Is it standard to call your hand a nut wrap on that board?

Because 2756 has almost 42- 45% equity vs a KKAA or KK9T, but your hand has 38.5%-39% vs those hands. Vs a hand like KK56 your hand 15.5% chance at a win, but with the 2756 its up to 24%.
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01-18-2017 , 11:08 AM
nut as in every hit is the nuts
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01-18-2017 , 03:53 PM
Would definitely lead pot but fold to 3b pre. As played call vs super passive guy with probable kk
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01-19-2017 , 10:25 PM
Fold pre, gii on flop.

You probably don't have to worry about protecting ranges in a live 5/5 plo game. However, if you do think that is the case, I'd suggest finding a better game.

Last edited by HeHeHawHaw; 01-19-2017 at 10:25 PM. Reason: *if
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01-20-2017 , 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTOGoddess
I think this hand was badly misplayed but I want your guys' opinions:

4-handed

Mississippi Straddle to $15

Hero is BB with As7d6c5d

Pre-Flop ($25):

SB ($400) calls $15
Hero ($1055) calls $15
Villain ($1500) calls $15
BTN ($265) raises to $75
SB calls $75
Hero calls $75
Villain calls $75

Flop ($300): Ks4c3h

SB checks
Hero checks
Villain bets $300
BTN goes all-in for $190
SB folds
Hero goes all-in for $980
Villain calls $680

(Will reveal results later)

I feel like pre-flop was badly misplayed. I either should've raised as a steal with a marginal holding or folded. I don't think going to $60 pre is terrible if deep enough but I think flatting is even given the price of 3.5:1 because it invited UTG to call and we'll be taking a flop likely 4-ways with a hand that usually flops marginal wraps/flush draws/top and bottom. It creates a tough spot. If the ace were suited I would be much more excited about playing this hand but I think I should've folded pre in both spots (more so in the second because of less maneuverability as a result of stack depth.)

We see one of the best possible flops for our hand imo. I decided to check, which I think is a good decision. I think I'm going to be checking my whole range in this spot to protect my checking range. After I check I think I will be check-raising my KKxx, 44xx, and most of my strong wraps. I will be check-calling with hands like OESD + BDFD, top pairs that can turn equity, 33xx, and all of my two-pair combos. If the short stack moves in I think I will call it off with almost all of my top pairs because I will be priced in and I think he will be mainly weighted towards AAxx (although this does give the player behind me that I am deep with an excellent check-raising opportunity, so maybe this is incorrect?) I decided to raise with the nut wrap, which I think is a good play considering the spot I am in because I think I will do the same with all of my 44xx and KKxx so I will be fairly balanced in this spot.

Notes on Villain: Villain has been incredibly passive throughout the entire session and has check/called without a hand and seldom leads out without one.

Notes on BTN: In a one hour session this is only the 2nd time I have ever seen the button raise pre-flop.

Notes on SB: Seemed to be solid.
Preflop: vomit

Flop: I'm actually not in love w/ gii on the flop according to read. It seems like we're just putting ourselves in a 60/40 spot bad a ton. I'd just call and donk shove any hit (in which we have 13 outs). We don't really have any FE, so we might as well see a turn and decide whether we want to put the rest in and gamble.
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01-20-2017 , 06:58 PM
I would not call the 3bet with that hand, because not so may nut possibilities. But if you hit the flop like that, I guess calling is fine, lol...

But I really don't like the flop check. In this situation maybe fine, because BTN is getting on the flop, you can easily check raise there.

I would bet the pot in the other players, because wrap is such a interesting hand in PLO. it is 40 to 60 on that flop against top set and it is also 50 50 or maybe a little bit ahead against any one pair kings. So my point is I don't mind they all fold after potting the fold sine the pot size is already pretty big.

Potting the flop you can represent Set of kins 4s, you can easily get any one pair kings , K 3 or 4 3 to fold on the flop. against these not so strong strong hand you still just had like 50% chance to win, so make them fold is good choice. And if someone called you, you are never in a terrible situation.

The worse situation on this hand is that villain had like K655 or A655 or A556 or 5667sth like that he had all your outers.
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