Hero has table covered with $2000

We are doing mandatory straddles UTG for $10

JJ98ds (diamonds and clubs) in sb. We are 8 handed.

utg+1 and LJ limp, HJ $50, co fold, BTN fold, hero in SB, hero?

Not sure if I should be isolating with this or not. It'd be way too nitty to fold, but idk if it's strong enough to play multiway. Table is very loose passive pre (like most live PLO tables) going 5+ handed every flop. If I flat the $50 then mostly like bb, utg straddle, and the 2 limpers tag along (at very least the 2 limpers do). V raises a lot pre, probably the most of anybody at the table but he isn't a complete maniac. He will never 4bet with anything but AAXX. Much easier to take it down on a lot of flops or have better equity/fold equity heads up than 6 handed. Though we could have a ton of implied odds with potential set/straight/flush if we flat. Just hard to have the best flush 6 handed. HJ is ~$1600 effective.

Probably supposed to fold but in a live fishy game I am always calling. 3b would be silly.

Shouldn't our SB defense via calling be extremely narrow? So either 3bet or fold? Also if we know we are going 4+ handed to the flop via call, it's more incentive to 3bet or fold than to try to play this hand in worst position where a flush is likely not good at showdown depending on action? Especially considering this is vs a player who is opening too many hands and much wider than he should. A player in a live low stakes game isn't opening anywhere close to the ranges he should.

A course I'm studying shows 63% of ds JJ hands without an Ace can squeeze. Most courses are made for online play though so I'm not sure if this applies. JJ63ds I wouldn't consider this with, but JJ98ds seems like it'd apply here.

Fun combo for sure. When the likelihood of a 3b is low as you suggest I most certainly would flat knowing that I'm probably getting 4 to 1 going to the Flop. I don't think I'm ever folding this combo unless I'm just playing too many hands at the moment.

But if I think I can 'play poker' with the HJ I don't mind bumping it up either .. like $120. In my Player pool you don't need to 'pot' all the time to send a message if you have the right image.

If there's no amount, even pot, that will get you HU most times then it's probably wise to just join the Bingo-fest, even out of position. You do need to be willing to fold 'a lot' and also be aware that even when you do get a Ten OTF that you are skewed to mid/low straights and chops with the 1-up-2-down holding set up. JJ is a good blocker and set miner along with the flush blockers that all the cards do for you. Even if you get HU you still need to be aware of high-side rundowns that HJ is going to flat.

IMO these are great holdings to mix in and hopefully get to Showdown to widen your image at the table. No reason to go nuts but good hands to win some small to medium pots unless you hit the perfect storm. JJ is obviously #4, not #1 .. and even 98x Flop is open to the Board pairing and letting QQ sneak in here for a W.

So while this may not connect with too many charts and as long as you know and understand that you can't play this the same as AAQJ, then I don't mind putting some feelers out there with combo. GL

Are we really squeezing here? Not sure the exact definition .. there's really no dead chips out there yet. I'm thinking a squeeze needs a call or two of the raise before we can attach the label.

While I agree that you would typically 3b/fold from the SB, the problem is that in the PLO games in my area a 3b goes multi-way just as often as just an opening raise. So all we're doing is bloating the pot, which leads to Players being more sticky with all those chips in the middle. Yes, this should be seen as strong so why not mix in a few of these outside the normal? The biggest pots are won when our opponents put us on a range and we show up with a totally different combo than expected. These pots are less likely to be coolers IMO.

It also makes sense to try and isolate or fold out a Player that opens too much. But again, the table dynamic needs to allow for it. One thing the PP understands is position is king in PLO. So any aggressive action from SB/BB is taken as a challenge to take them down! GL

You're right, by definition it's not exactly a squeeze, but in PLO it sure feels like it when there are a few limpers with a raise then a 3bet lol. The course only has IP 3bet and OOP squeeze ranges, but talks about how they can also be used just as narrow/wide 3bet ranges. In my games it tends to go multiway to a 3bet as well but there are a few factors that determine that. Like the straddle size. Most people do the max which is $10 at this casino. The other one I play at where we can all only do $5, the 3bet or squeeze gets called far more often. It seems a lot of players can only care about the size of the bet in $ than in BB.

Oddly enough this is my experience when it comes to 3bet/squeeze:
If there are a few limps, a raise, then a 3bet, the 3bet isn't called as often. Most players are limping in to see it for that price or to just call a single raise, and don't want to call a 3bet because they aren't sure what the original raiser is going to do. Now say there's an open raise, 2 calls, then a 3bet/squeeze. If the original raiser calls, then 2 callers tend to tag along because they already had a hand they wanted to play and they see that they are getting better odds now, and they're not afraid of putting in money just to have to fold to a 4bet.

Hero $150, V calls

Flop ($405) QJ7ddc

Hero?

Set and a flush draw is very strong but there are tons of bad turns. This flop hits both your ranges pretty equally, maybe a little better for him. I would bet 300.

Great flop. This is the reason you squeezed in the first place, so the flush and str8 draws have better odds of taking it down if you are up against a QQ hand. I'd bet 3/4 pot. Good chance you are up against some AKK10/AK10X type of hands as well. If he has QQ, so be it as you should still have plenty of outs if so.

Can we check/pot the flop?

I am never folding this pre. My 3bet depends on who HJ is and player tendencies. Vs. someone who raises a lot, 3bet is good. Now that we're here, I follow through and bet on the big side.

ding ding ding

we have a winner

Check/pot requires opponent to bet. We have a set and. Flush draw, blocking a lot of what we hope bets

Not a fan of the squeeze 1000bb deep and oop vs mega wide calling ranges tbh, our FDs are just toast so often.

As played I am betting flop most of the time, sizing depends on V and if I think I can induce a raise.

We are doing mandatory $10 straddles, so I'd consider HJ is 160bb effective.

Hero bets $325, V calls

Turn ($1055) Tx

Hero?

Well we beat QQ now… :P

Cheque pls.

Quite the Board .. I'm good with the Flop bet, but the Turn opens up even more 'coolers' and do we really want to GII for these stacks with middle set and bottom straight? Being OOP is a big issue. Will this V use position to take us off our hand when/if we give up the betting lead? Any bet will leave less than pot behind if called .. and the larger the bet the less likely we are willing to fold to a shove.

I like check, but I also like $450 as long as we've decided to call all shoves. I don't really think you can bet anything if you're going to even consider folding. My guess is folding is out of the question to a lot of the posters here, but I just don't see how we're ahead enough if V shows large aggression (in my games anyway).

So the issue is what do we do if V pots the Turn? Extremely rare that V would block all our paths to victory, but it's possible with QQ and better flush cards (KQQ9). GL

I probably check/evaluate.

BTW, it's much easier for us if you put cards and and pot for every street as you go (stacks would help, too) -- it's a pain to have to scroll back to different posts to figure it out.

Checking, but I don't think all options are off the board. If we have decided we are c/c, do we really want to give V a free river here? Sure, AK is a large part of his range, but so is AA and KK with diamonds. We have also caught up to QQ. Can we really fold to a turn bet? The more I think about it, the more I think I might just barrel here.

What are the pros and cons of betting vs check-calling on this flop?

Problems with betting are, you block villain's calling range with diamonds and straight draw.

Further, your flush/ straight outs are non-nutted, so when you are called, your draws are often dominated.

Isn't this a reasonable spot to check-call, because when villain shoves, you're often just flipping (against a draw that dominates you) or completely dominated?

We're not scared of any turn (so we don't need much protection). And when we get action, we're not super happy. Villain likely has air, and we want to give him a chance to bluff.