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07-03-2010 , 11:36 AM
Villain is hyper aggressive, potting over 75% of his hands pre-flop and subsequently potting nearly all flops

Villain ($600) is BB
MP calls
CO calls
Hero ($170) is on the button (9 7 6 5) calls
SB calls
Villain raises to $15. 3 callers, SB folds

Flop: ($47) T 7 4
Villain bets $45, MP folds, CO folds, Hero calls
Turn: ($135) A
Villain bets $135, Hero ???

Not really a spoiler but here was my thought process:
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I feared my straight draw was no good if the clubs came, since my own clubs were very weak. Am I being too nitty if I discount my club outs here despite my low flush draw? Or am I not nitty enough when I consider eights give me the lower straight? Or should I just be dumping this sucker on the flop and hope for better cards later?
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07-03-2010 , 11:38 AM
how can you not shove flop with your stacksize?
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07-03-2010 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja
how can you not shove flop with your stacksize?
Is this realy a shoving spot? A pair of 7s with a thin straight draw and non-nut flush draw, when a PF raise potentially means I'm behind to a painted pocket pair on this flop?
Am I being far too tight drawing only to nut draws here?
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07-03-2010 , 12:24 PM
yes. someone raising 75% of his hands preflop means he doesn't hit this board often. furthermore once he bets and you raise, he's going to be forced to call with some extremely marginal hands which you're owning.
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07-03-2010 , 12:56 PM
We cant expect villain has a set, he dominates our flush and straightdraws when he opens 75% of hands pf and pots nearly every flop.

Also when we shove we should have plenty of FE and even if we get called We probably have 40-65%. Omaha is all about FE and this type of hand is best at flop, has alot of potential but alot turn card will **** it up.

I would happily get this hand in vs this villain. Other than raising flop is pretty bad imo.

Last edited by Tsajajaja; 07-03-2010 at 01:05 PM.
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07-03-2010 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja
We cant expect villain has a set, he dominates our flush and straightdraws when he opens 75% of hands pf and pots nearly every flop.

Also when we shove we should have plenty of FE and even if we get called We probably have 40-65%. Omaha is all about FE and this type of hand is best at flop, has alot of potential but alot turn card will **** it up.

I would happily get this hand in vs this villain. Other than raising flop is pretty bad imo.
this. jam the flop
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07-03-2010 , 08:47 PM
Thanks again, guys. And is this advice to jam the flop based on my read that the guy was potting nearly everything? When I run a simulation against random hands, I appear to have an equity of >60%.

Results oriented info below:
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He did flash the ace of clubs when I mucked. That card dropped my equity to closer to 40% when I run the simulator.
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07-04-2010 , 12:29 AM
guy raises 75 pct of his hands
put the nit handbook down for a second, stop fearing your own shadow and ship the ****ign flop
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07-04-2010 , 12:30 AM
also just fold pre if your gonna fold this flop holy shyt
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07-04-2010 , 12:43 AM
actually op i just reread your post and now im even madder
everyone folds to you and youre worried about a spewtard who bets 75 pct of the flops having a higher draw
would you fold 77 here for fear he has 10 10?
i swear i love running over people like you at the table and would kill to flop this big vs someone as bad as you described
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07-04-2010 , 01:07 AM
I get the picture Ponzi, and that's what I'm trying to understand (try to be patient with me as this was my first live game... .01/games on FTP just didn't quite get me ready). At the time, I sure didn't feel like I was ahead and it DID feel like this guy was running over the table. So the lessons for me in this thread are...
* I should look at the flop as having EIGHT straight outs to 8 and 3, plus another SEVEN club cards, plus TWO more 7s, if I give the villain credit for leading out with a weak hand (pocket pair?).
* Forget the idea of seeing cheap flops in PLO. It just doesn't happen live.
* IF I ever play live PLO again, buy in for max and don't play with scared money as it only encourages the aggro players.
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07-04-2010 , 01:15 AM
actually dont buy in for the max until you undertand the game a lot more-no offense but it will just be burning money
theres nothing wrong with encouraging agro playerers- just know how to adapt
ive been at tables where i literately was the only one raising for hours on end and others that were straddled 3 times every hand,so i wouldnt say you cant get cheap flops in plo

Put it this way
if you play hold em and a giant nit is giving you a ton of action when you have aj on a aj 8 board your almost always dead
if someone is rasing and betting every flop and you have aj on a qj3 flop and hes betting again hold on to your hat but dont fold

is it possible he has a higher draw here-sure
just like its possible aj would be beat
if it is suck it up and move on to the next hand
your playing hand ranges dont worry about the one time the ****** actually has a hand
if you arent shipping this flop you really shouldnt be at the table
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