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05-31-2022 , 03:03 PM

uminchu

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100BB Stacks Button and Hero, 50BB SB

Folds to button who open raises for 3.5bb, SB calls, we are in BB with KdJdJsTs and we three-bet to 10BB. Button 4 bets to 40BB. SB calls putting him all in Do we have enough equity to call the 4 bet and get it in for 100BBs here? Recognizing he basically always has AA. If SB also has AA I believe that further improves our equity. I feel like I struggle in these spots. What are you all doing after three betting if you get four bet? When are we folding?

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05-31-2022 , 04:17 PM

Javanewt

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That's a pretty good hand for 100bb. Not sure of the math, but not sure I can fold. I don't like flatting, so I just gii, but I am not expert in these spots.

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05-31-2022 , 06:10 PM

uminchu

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Received. Thank you very much for the reply. I feel like these are tough spots since they always seem to have aces when I three bet.

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05-31-2022 , 06:30 PM

DumbosTrunk

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Stop 3! hands without an ace blocker or AA.

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06-01-2022 , 12:06 AM

DumbosTrunk

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As played call.

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06-01-2022 , 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

As played call.

It's hard for me to put in 40% of my stack pre-flop. I'd rather just shove now and roll with it, but that's me. Is this kind of a stop and go? Bet favorable flops and check/decide everything else? Check/call (shove) nutted flops?

You only 3bet w/ AA or an A blocker? Maybe I play too wide, but my player pool is definitely wider than I am.

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06-01-2022 , 05:23 PM

DumbosTrunk

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

This is just standard advice for a presumably newer player to the game. I can iso or squeeze much wider if the circumstances justify it. I play plo5, however, so AA is much more prevalent in general.

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06-01-2022 , 06:45 PM

NJPW

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

You only 3bet w/ AA or an A blocker?

No offense to Dumbo but 3-betting only AA or Axxx is insanely bad.

I also don't play 4 card but I'm pretty sure you can fold to a 4-bet here because in 5 and 6 card 3b/calling a 4b with a pair and no Ace suit is pretty bad and 4-card's going to be tighter. I have no idea if this is a 3-bet in the first place.

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06-01-2022 , 07:13 PM

DumbosTrunk

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Maybe my player pool just plays tighter pre but in my games if you 3! out of line you will be punished. 3! with an A reduces combos of AA and A-high rundowns have better equity generally.

If your games are looser and Vs don’t play back then I guess you are in a hella soft line up and more power to you for 3! your rundowns.

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06-01-2022 , 07:40 PM

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NJPW

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If you have QJT98ds for example, I'd hardly call that getting out of line. I'd hope you're 3-betting those types of hands.

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06-01-2022 , 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NJPW

If you have QJT98ds for example, I'd hardly call that getting out of line. I'd hope you're 3-betting those types of hands.

Only sometimes. I was answering presumably a beginner’s question and adding these hands to 3! might be a little too advanced. The hand OP chose and those like it (broadway pairs) without an A are probably the worst 3! candidates due to blocker effects mentioned earlier and a lack of nuttiness that you need to win multi-way.

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06-02-2022 , 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

That's a pretty good hand for 100bb. Not sure of the math, but not sure I can fold. I don't like flatting, so I just gii, but I am not expert in these spots.

a call is effectively an all-in as the two villains are =<40BB.

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

As played call.

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06-02-2022 , 05:47 PM

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KnoxKnoxJoke

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

This take seems like monsters under the bed tbh. Not 3betting this hand is leaving money on the table, can check EV generated by action with this hand in plo web trainer. This also is the loosest possible table config.

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06-03-2022 , 08:41 AM

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Javanewt

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Originally Posted by MastaAces

a call is effectively an all-in as the two villains are =<40BB.

Button and Hero have 100bb.

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06-03-2022 , 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

Button and Hero have 100bb.

my mistake. too drunk and too stupid.

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06-03-2022 , 04:44 PM

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pokerfan655

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you can run free sims through pro poker tools online. No need to make a thread, just run the sim.

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06-03-2022 , 05:05 PM

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you can run free sims through pro poker tools online. No need to make a thread, just run the sim.

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06-03-2022 , 06:32 PM

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DumbosTrunk

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ppt doesn't tell you what hands to 3! though. it just tells you equity against hands.

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06-04-2022 , 08:47 AM

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pokerfan655

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

ppt doesn't tell you what hands to 3! though. it just tells you equity against hands.

The question was do we have enough equity against AA here - this would be answered in PPT.

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