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10-14-2016 , 04:43 PM
CO is a 90 vpip weaker player, BTN is a tightish reg.

[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37462695

CO: $686.48 (171.6 bb)
BTN: $394 (98.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $428 (107 bb)
BB: $568.54 (142.1 bb)
UTG: $884.01 (221 bb)
MP: $440.10 (110 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J K Q A
2 folds, CO calls $4, BTN raises to $18, Hero raises to $62, 2 folds, BTN calls $44

Flop: ($132) J 8 9 (2 players)
Hero?

Sorta need a standard for these spots.
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10-14-2016 , 05:39 PM
u dont have to 3bet flop.

AP i am tempted to cbet but this is kind of flop that hits a wide range there.

should you check/call and fold turn if no straight no J no T?
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10-15-2016 , 06:51 AM
i mean u dont have to 3bet preflop oop...
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10-15-2016 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Alsi
i mean u dont have to 3bet preflop oop...
Please stop giving advice
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10-15-2016 , 08:16 AM
lol
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10-15-2016 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Alsi
i mean u dont have to 3bet preflop oop...
Yeah that's terrible. What kind of hands would you 3bet than?
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10-15-2016 , 05:38 PM
3bet OOP, for me this is not 100% 3bet.

as i said in other post - this is a premium hand I can 3bet with and I would 50% maximum.

The fact OP post the question means that OP put himself in a difficult spot for him. fundamental of poker is to not put yourself in difficult spot - especially in big pots right?

sorry I might be running bad but I still cannot understand 3bet oop in this game
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10-15-2016 , 08:22 PM
welcome back PLOt!

now let's call out some more bad regs!
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10-15-2016 , 09:22 PM
Haha **** me.

As an overall strategy in this spot I check here with the intention of doing some x/c, x/r or x/f depending on what we think of villain if he bets.
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10-15-2016 , 09:57 PM
Alsi is far too reckless when he suggests calling preflop. I'd open fold to avoid playing OOP entirely.
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10-16-2016 , 06:16 PM
I will contradict a bit here, there is a big rec on the co who just limped, if we 3bet probably he is going to just fold. If we call he will come to the pot 100% of the time, and that is nice with the hand we got.

3betting is obviusly a good play, but calling is not terrible neither for the above mentioned factor.

I find this criteria because of nut suites, with non nut suite I would just 3bet 100% here,
except if ROL of BTN is super nit.
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10-16-2016 , 07:42 PM
I am open to flatting pre to keep CO in the pot,

post flop SPR difference is not so bad asit will be seemingly easy to CR flop in both scenarios due to BTN will have a reliability of this, the range (of boards) to CR is a bit tighter.

I am open to raising as CO will fold alot hands like JJ QQ KK AKTT which damage our equity. Both lines are profitable, the raise is going to reduce variance, is exploitable depending on our 3 b range vs the AJJ AQQ AKK ATT hands.

I am torn overall, it looks standard as we have 4 broadyways to 3b a loose BTN range. Its a bit like not 3bing AK in NLHE as you are mining the domination potential, even though fold equity preflop and simplifying flop vs 22+ will put us closer to our profitable raw equity. Flatting creates a higher cap for implieds proportional net total of pot odds/ev. Which is the only reason I can imagine being able to move from a 3b/100 player to the 15bb/100 player in this spot. We can pull off more bluffs in the non pot3b pot aslong as we are sicker than them in the head.

I am also open to a non pot 3b, because to be GTO we should really only have strong KK any AA in a 3b just to combat the wider 4bs that will happen if we are notticed to be 3bing non KK AA. Pot 3b here depends on where the bottom of this pot range is, if it is this hand then it is fine I guess but it depends on history as does everything.

Need alot more stats imo to be sure. IF CO is 90/60 or 90/5 makes a huge difference.

OFC it's standard to 3bpot, and one cannot condemn it, but mentioning that 'you don't have to' and realising that 'you don't have to' in more speculative spots which are common preflop with a tonne of remaining incomplete information as it's PLO - is someone what liberating yourself from predictability.

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 10-16-2016 at 07:48 PM.
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10-16-2016 , 07:53 PM
AS for post flop, it misses your range? Who knows. GS and BDFD and overs is like 20% equity. Our amount of T7 QT is super light , not having a ten here is so bad for our hand. His J*** (any rundown that connects really !A) will actually be doing pretty well vs our one pair. It will have 2 pair+ 90% of the time.

Ii'ts between bet/fold and check fold. Where the sizing is? **** knows. My range just feels really weak here vs his, we can arguably bet small but then he can bluff.

CR is super bad imo unless somehow we read he has KK45ss

SPR 3:1 OOP is super uncomfortable here
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10-17-2016 , 01:51 AM
Alright, don't feel so bad. CO is like 90/5 fwiw. I was thinking he was cold calling a 3b pre here... didn't happen.

As played:
Hero checks, BTN bets $50, Hero calls????

Turn: Kd
Hero checks? BTN bets 140, Hero ships???
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