in before "isn't everyone shortstacked?"

Full Tilt Poker $25/$50 $2000 Cap Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (MP): $6187.00
CO: $23429.00
BTN: $1925.00
SB: $360.25
BB: $7922.50
UTG: $19821.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is MP with 5 3 4 3
1 fold, Hero raises to $125, 1 fold, BTN calls $125, SB raises to $360.25 all in, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1255.75

btn is a random who i haven't seen before, have played like 10 hands with him and he seems to be an average TAG so far (though random names generally tend to do silly things in the cap games). sb is a regular winner, not sure reads on him matter at all in this spot. is my hand just too crappy to do this with? i didn't expect btn to ever have a big hand or to be getting it in more than ~20% or so here, is this fine with that very vague read or is that assumption just way off with the limited info i have on him?

my question is why to you open 3345?

fold pre for sure. I'm not sure why your shoving, even with the overlay and if you know that the BTN is folding I don't see this being hugely +EV.

Answer his name is bkice.

Seems std from you.

Straightaway is right.

results plz?

Dont open 3345, its very bad. But I like the isolation of the shortie. Gettings sick odds if u make the BTN fold..

Definitely fold preflop the first time, probably the second time too. Meh, definitely the second time. wtf are you doing?

Yeah, you're supposed to fold this the first time around in cap. It's pretty borderline even 100bb deep and you just have to play tighter in cap. The deception from being able to hit low flops isn't that important when you're not going to have that much play left on the flop anyway.

Once you get 3-bet by SB, it's the most standard 4-bet in the world though. You don't lose much more equity when BTN gets in then you gain when he folds, and your average player at these stakes is going to be folding a ton. Like I'd say 80-85%. Actually, at pretty much any stakes they're going to be folding enough. Maybe at 200/400, I'd start to worry that they're flatting KK type hands to allow SB to 3-bet and induce a 4-bet from you.

wtf is this? are you trying to justify your tilt? Aside from it being an horrendous open in cap did you even notice the shortie before you did?

definitely a level

open is terrible and would be pretty bad even if it wasnt cap.

2nd time is closer but I prefer just dumping it. slightly +EV when he folds but when he calls you are in trouble and it would still be 750 left to bet.

this is what i was looking for, thanks for the serious post. everyone else who made replies like "wtf are you doing" please a) get over yourselves, it's a ****ing poker forum where people come to ask questions and b) come find me at the tables

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
5h3s4h3d 41.87% 248,901 4,669
**** 58.13% 346,430 4,669

Your a significant dog to the SB's range even if he is shoving everything. If the btn folds everything you have to be ~36% against the SB's range to make it break even. With the btn playing even a few pots I doubt this is very profitable.

This is way off, we need significantly less. Like 27%. (235.25/895.5) If BTN folds everything, we should definitely 4-bet.

thats just lazy math, we need ~26% to break even if the BU folds, and the thing about hands like this is that their equity against ranges doesn't change that much - 37% against top 10%, 39 against top 20%, 40 against top 50% etc, so it doesn't really matter how wide he is shoving [obviously the wider the better]

but either way, if your assumptions about BU are correct its a super easy shove

the first raise is really bad though, I think its bad at 100bb too

yeah I was way off on the first calculation, I don't know what I was adding. I guess the shove is ok if you think the btn is going to fold a ton.

the only reason BTN would ever call your first raise if he's aware of SB's stack size is to tarp you

This is a pretty big if IMO.

I couldn't agree more. If you're gonna talk sh it, back it up with some math to prove why you're right.

When it gets back around to you I think it's a shove.

if that's true i really need to play more cap PLO

What range should button call/get it in here vs BKiCe ?

Assume button knows BK is pretty agro in general and more so on the button, say 50/25 or so there, and will jam with a big % of hands he opens with.