Hi everyone, I play small stakes PLO and was wondering about my graphs from Pokertracker 3. Anybody has a clue about this?

How do I interpret my "net expected won" (the yellow line) that is about even compared to my high "won without showdown" (red line) and low "won with showdown"? I understand that i win alot of pots through aggresion and without showdown, and therefore pretty often have the worst of it when called down in non-all-in pots.

Is the "net expected won"-line completely separate from the others? So in that case I was running above EV (in all-in pots) for a while and are now about even?

Or should I interpret it like I've been running bad since the EV is about even while my "won at showdown is about -350?

Ok, finally got the image to work. Sorry about that everyone. Any ideas about the EV questions?

Compare All in EV line VS actual winnings. You were roughly =EV up until 5K ish hands, since then you have been running very well in All in pots. Overall now you are in or around 410 above expected All in EV

AIEV in PT3 is wack. AIEV where one person goes AI on the flop and there's action on the turn are recorded based on the result of the hand and not AIEV.

I.e. You have AA** against two people. Flop is 222. Guy 1 with QQ goes AI for $1. You and Villain 2 call. Turn is a 6 and you go AI against KK for $1000. If river is a King, your AIEV line goes straight down, just like your green line.

Hem is superior compared to PT in omaha.

Are u sure about this? Because i don't see why "winnings" and "all-in EV" should correlate?

For examaple: if you're a better player than your opponents and makes good value bets and good folds + run even in "all-in EV" then your "all-in EV"-graph should be at zero, but your "winnings" sholud be higher (since you're a better player who makes better decisions). Right?

Really? Why is that? Maybe I should try it...
You meen Hold'em manager right?

If you make good folds / good value bets your Total winnings and all in EV lines will both increase / decrease by the same amount for given hand.

For example, do a filter for hands where you bet river and get called and the two lines will be identical. Likewise if you do a filter for when you fold before showdown the lines will be identical.

The difference between the lines is only generated when you are all in before river.

Here is an example in its simplest form:
You get it all in Heads up on the turn for a $100 with exactly 50% equity and win the hand... your actual winnings line will increase by $50 but your EV line will not change as this is a neutral EV play. (hence $50 over EV on this hand)

But the way you describe it, it sounds like the "Sklansky buck EV"? Where all bets on all streets count, right?

In PT3 it's called "All-in EV. Isn't that just based on pots where you're all-in and have a certain percent to win? (perhaps even only when there are still cards to come..??)

AIEV in PT3 is off. For example, if I have 30% equity in a 3way all in and hit my out, I'm marked as a 100% suck out. The green line goes straight up and the yellow line doesn't bugde.

Ok, yeah that makes alot of sense because it certainly doesn't add up...

try HEM. upload all ur hands on HEM then compare ur ALL-in EV line to ur Actual Winning Line. If the latter is over the red line, then u ran good in all-in pots. If not, well, tuff luck.

Everybody is telling me to get Hold'em manager (or in my case it will be Omaha manager) so I'm dowloading it right now. Let's hope it's as good as everybody days

I've been doing some research and it seems like the "All-in EV" line is a direct mirror of what kind of situations you have put yourself in. If that is correct, the actual results doesn't effect that line what so ever (e.g. if "net expected won is above 0 you have had the best of it on an averge, and if it's below you have been putting to much money in behind)

For example: If I go all-in heads-up with both players having 100$ as a 75% favorite 10 times (doesn-t matter on what street, as long as there are still card/s to come) - this would be the results:

All-in EV: +500$ (75% * 200$ = 150$) since I'm winning 50$ * 10.
The actual results however may vary between losing 1000$ to winning 1000$.

Lets say I'll win only half those all-ins. Then the graphs should look like this i think:

Green line (amount won): 0 - since I have won 1000 and lost 1000$.

Yellow line (net expected won): 500 - since this is what I "should" have won if if the luck factor was 0.

What do you guys think? Is this correct? Any other reflections?

You are correct.

the PT3 stat can have a pretty large bias, particularly if you play shallow tables. def use HEM for this kind of analysis.