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02-18-2011 , 01:04 AM

gatorlaw

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should we fold here? and if so, should I just call his initial raise to set-mine?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $85.70
BB: $58.55
UTG: $50.95
Hero (MP): $51.65
CO: $50.00
BTN: $207.05

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with T

1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7.50, BTN raises to $23.25

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02-18-2011 , 01:07 AM

Lemay002

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not like this, do not limp reraise kk**, it's quite bad, fold to 4bet. kk is nowhere as close as kk** in omaha, you overplayed it.

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02-18-2011 , 01:08 AM

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raise pre these kings have some nut straights and you got flush draw...

BTN stats are important here once BTN pots it.... 3betting is dodgy without reads so Just call his raise and check all flops.... as played you gotta fold against a decent player. Ship against a donk

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02-18-2011 , 01:12 AM

SeaKing

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Raise pre.

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02-18-2011 , 01:46 AM

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get it all in pre. he has aces but somehow the king always peels on the turn

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02-18-2011 , 03:37 AM

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Don't fold to a single raise

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02-18-2011 , 03:40 AM

Scary_Tiger

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Raise initially or limp/call the raise, this is messy and not advisable. I'd go ahead and fold to the 5-bet as played without a better read to justify continuing.

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02-18-2011 , 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemay002

not like this, do not limp reraise kk**, it's quite bad, fold to 4bet. kk is nowhere as close as kk** in omaha, you overplayed it.

explain reasoning?

our hand is disguised, we took the initiative, lowered the SPR OOP, and got the BTN to put in a lot of money with a probably a less than premium hand (all before the 5bet, but BTN won't be 5betting very often unless he's spewing, but we don't know that since OP didn't provide reads)

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02-18-2011 , 12:09 PM

Lemay002

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Originally Posted by this_passing

Simply because it's quite exploitable, your limp / reraise range will be quite wide and your going to put yourself in lots of marginak spots.

Limp/call >>>> limp/reraise, could be different if stacks sizes where shallower imo

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02-18-2011 , 12:13 PM

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your limp / reraise range will be quite wide and your going to put yourself in lots of marginak spots.

huh?

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Limp/call >>>> limp/reraise, could be different if stacks sizes where shallower imo

agree, and agree about it being shallower but stack sizes don't matter too much, its more how donkish BTN is... either way limping this hand is not good with any stacks imo

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02-18-2011 , 12:16 PM

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shipemdonks

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Your kings arent very good ones. You got a bit of str8 potential non nf potential but just flat the raise and see a flop. Once you get 5 bet i will maybe call with a KKQJds type hand if i fancy it but not with your one as you need at least 2 pair/strong draw to call his flop ship. Dont overvalue junk kings in this game

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02-18-2011 , 02:38 PM

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Your kings arent very good ones

rubbish, these kings are pretty strong, just missin a bit from not havin 2 flush draw and the 2 gap between the connectors but its ok cus theres KT and T7, aslong as we aren't up against AA and its heads up pretty powerful hand...

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02-18-2011 , 02:57 PM

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shipemdonks

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You have a dangler/s, i am not calling off half my stack here. I generally give some respect to a player with 4 buyins in front of him in a 100 buyin game. Flat initial raise, miss flop, fold. You can assume the button is shipping the flop 100% of the time if you call this 5 bet. I would rather take a rundown type hand than this one if i put half my stack in. Yes you are HU but it is a 6 handed table.

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02-18-2011 , 03:01 PM

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Lemay002

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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

huh?

agree, and agree about it being shallower but stack sizes don't matter too much, its more how donkish BTN is... either way limping this hand is not good with any stacks imo

I meant wider, ther for after a showdown, regs can ajust by isolating you with a tighter range.

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02-18-2011 , 03:08 PM

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Mt.FishNoob

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making no sense whatsoever

also limp range is alreayd assumed wide, and a set amount, wide is relative, there is no relation in a hand history, limp call and limp raise range are two different ranges,,,, so dont know wat u mean by isolate with a tighter range, he can just raise and call 3bets ip anyway or play a raised pot,

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your limp / reraise range will be quite wide

still dont get it,

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02-18-2011 , 04:31 PM

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shipemdonks

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Hmm when someone limp raises from early position i generally put him on a good hand unless i have other evidence. If i do it and then get raised back again then, without history, i put him on AAxx. Maybe sometimes i fold the best hand pre but i doubt he is doing it with QQxx so i can safely assume my KKxx hand is crushed. KKxx hands simply dont play that well against his range barring hitting a king on the flop we are mainly chucking money away here.

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