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02-08-2010 , 01:24 AM

Ronald McDonkey

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This hand is probably very standard and played poorly but I'm new to this game so please be gentle =)

5/5 live plo at commerce with $10 straddle on btn.

I just sat down with $1k. Effective stacks $1k.

I'm dealt 5454ccdd utg. SB calls, I call, several callers, btn pots to $80 (i.e., $70 more so $140 in pot), sb calls, I call (!?!), mp repots, btn calls, me?

I've put in $80 so far, and now I'm basically committing my entire stack by calling or going all-in here.

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02-08-2010 , 01:32 AM

LearnedfromTV

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3ways is tricky (covered fd's etc) but put a gun to my head and i'd guess call and stack off gutter or better is +ev. The 3b is ~$400, ya?

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02-08-2010 , 03:00 AM

krmont22

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shoving pre and seeing 5 cards is going to be +EV a ridiculous amount of the time, almost never a huge losing play, and occasionally a huge winning play.

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02-08-2010 , 03:04 AM

BluffinNuts

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am i just a nit or should 5544 be a fold pre UTG?

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02-08-2010 , 09:40 AM

napsus

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Originally Posted by BluffinNuts

am i just a nit or should 5544 be a fold pre UTG?

i'd fold too.

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02-08-2010 , 09:55 AM

wazz

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Depending on stack depth I think I'd rather play 5544 than TT44, but yeah, it might be a fold nonetheless. I think 5544ds is too pretty to fold fwiw.

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02-08-2010 , 08:36 PM

Perestroika

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Fold here preflop never

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02-08-2010 , 09:16 PM

Adiprene1

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agree here perestroika with you i do.

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02-09-2010 , 12:32 AM

Zeestein

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if you can reopen the betting you jam, otherwise you call and fold if it comes out AKQ or whatever

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02-09-2010 , 03:04 AM

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yellowsub

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Originally Posted by BluffinNuts

am i just a nit or should 5544 be a fold pre UTG?

u are a huge nit if u think about passing the first time around.

the 2nd time, eh gamble, it cant be THAT bad..

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02-09-2010 , 03:07 AM

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Scary_Tiger

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Originally Posted by yellowsub

u are a huge nit if u think about passing the first time around.

Would fold first time again and again, and definitely not a nit.

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02-09-2010 , 04:29 AM

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krmont22

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Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4c5c4d5d 35.03% 209,783 855
6% 34.12% 198,659 12,133
10% 30.84% 179,018 12,096

I tried for a while adding in someone having AA always and some other stuff and i actually couldn't come up with a 3 way situation where you have less than 33 pct

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02-09-2010 , 04:32 AM

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gordo16

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people fold double-suited connected pairs pf? seriously?

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02-09-2010 , 06:08 AM

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grizy

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I touch this chick in funny places then push all in.

^Fortuna, Goddess of Fortune, Lady Luck if you will.

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02-09-2010 , 05:37 PM

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grizy

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Btw, you ARE a huge nit if you fold this utg first time around

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02-09-2010 , 05:44 PM

#16

SideshowBobb

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Fold? No, when see those cards you should be going: Damn how awesome is this game.

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02-10-2010 , 12:43 AM

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uphigh_downlow

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that's the beauty of this game. you inflate the pot a bit, pull in a bit of dead money and then it becomes a lolfest.

Regardless I dont see any advantages in limping this UTG. Raise/fold based on the table.

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02-10-2010 , 02:51 AM

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thegreatone87

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this hand plays really well 3 way, i'm never folding. i prfer calling as there are some flops u can fold tho if u totally whiff

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02-10-2010 , 07:05 AM

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iggymcfly

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I never ever shove here but it's probably closer than I give it credit for considering how good your equity is on a lot of flops you miss completely. Still think I like flatting slightly better here with this exact stack depth, but get even $100 more in preflop and it's probably better to push.

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02-10-2010 , 09:35 AM

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lwrunner103

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Not that tricky or meaningful of a spot at all.

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02-10-2010 , 12:55 PM

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gordo16

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Originally Posted by lwrunner103

Not that tricky or meaningful of a spot at all.

man how quickly you've turned into a douche... at least tell the adoring public why you're so much smarter than they are?

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02-10-2010 , 02:10 PM

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Nubu

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Originally Posted by gordo16

man how quickly you've turned into a douche... at least tell the adoring public why you're so much smarter than they are?

Thx.

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02-10-2010 , 11:54 PM

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Sh1LLa

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fitting avatar, too.

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