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04-29-2021 , 11:27 AM
Global Poker, PLO $0.05-$0.10, 6-player max

UTG: 69bb
HJ: 62bb
BTN: 62bb
SB (Hero): 53bb
BB: 93bb

No information on any of the players

Hero has K Q 5 T

Preflop: (1.5 bb, 6 players)
UTG folds, HJ limps , CO limps, BTN limps, Hero calls, BB checks,

Flop: (5 bb in pot, 5 players) J 2 9
Hero bets 3bb, BB raise 140 bb, HJ folds, BTN calls, Hero calls,

Turn: (470 bb in pot, 3 players) J 2 96
Hero checks, BB bets 470bb, BTN folds, Hero all in for 380 bb

River: J 2 964

Thoughts
Preflop: I don’t think this is a bad hand to limp with but maybe I should have raised.
Flop: Maybe I should not have bet just check
Turn: I am pretty committed perhaps I could have folded
River:
Villain shows A 2 2 T
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04-29-2021 , 12:31 PM
I think raising pre is not good here, you have a dangler and your are singles suited to the K so not nut and blocking the Q of the same suit heading into the multiway pot.

Limping ranges at this stakes contain all that jazz of suited A with bad connectivity, rainbow trash with pocket pairs.

On the flop: if we bet we are not really folding the hands that beat us and we have a lot of equity, so you can probably check call. Since we have not many nuts out no need to inflate the pot.

Against a set we have enough equity to call, and I guess its unlikely we are against a set and a flush draw.

What we are not happy about is the nut flush draw + pair being out there, but that's unlikely to raise a bet.

Overall, maybe check for pot control and keeping our opponent ranges wide is best here?
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04-29-2021 , 01:52 PM
This isn't as bad as the other one ... you can fold pre. but I understand it's hard vs. a bunch of any4 hands. The problem is you are going to be 5 ways with 2nd nut flush draw a lot in the nut worst position, and the 5 is bad.

Flop I mostly x/r, fish aren't folding rando bottom set but we have massive equity. As played shipping it flop or calling to fold on a J or 9 / donk shove if we hit.
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04-29-2021 , 02:13 PM
You're ahead on flop, pot then re-pot. -10 clout for thinking about folding.
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04-29-2021 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Lessons4r3Extra
I think raising pre is not good here, you have a dangler and your are singles suited to the K so not nut and blocking the Q of the same suit heading into the multiway pot.
I didn't raise. I just limped in from the SB. I wouldn't think raise preflop with this had would be a good idea. But I thought it had some merits from the SB.
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04-29-2021 , 04:16 PM
I’m reraising the flop and losing. Most likely you are against Little BB, runlikeasun or one of those players that never loses.
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04-29-2021 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jreven
I’m reraising the flop and losing. Most likely you are against Little BB, runlikeasun or one of those players that never loses.
runlikeasun beat me for all in on river today...
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04-29-2021 , 09:32 PM
He will go all in with two pairs and never seems to get sucked out. He was up about 6 buy ins yesterday. I started watching his play after you mentioned him the other day.
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04-30-2021 , 01:18 AM
How does this notation work? You go from betting 3bb to getting raised to 140bb. Why did the decimals go away?

I dont like the donk bet on the flop either because I dont think it accomplishes anything good for you.
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04-30-2021 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt_PBA

Thoughts
Preflop: I don’t think this is a bad hand to limp with but maybe I should have raised.
Your hand has to beat 4 players in the worst possible position. Yes, you are getting dream odds, but your hands equity has to be realizable. In order to bet or call vs 4 players first to act you must hit the flop really hard. Even the K-high flushdraw is meh in this situation, so you are basically left with high card strength and straightdraws. There is so much better hands with the same components, that you could be playing instead.
Call me nit, but I'm actually not calling ANY hand in the sb, it's raise or fold all the way. Would only ever overlimp this, if players are so passive, that things get checked around to the river a lot.

What happens, when you hit your KKQ? Lead and everyone folds?
As played, you hit one of the best possible flops for your hand and still didn't shovel the money in. Think about it.

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Flop: Maybe I should not have bet just check
I will stack off happily (!) on the flop against any number of opponents. If somebody has the NFD so be it.
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05-01-2021 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jreven
He will go all in with two pairs and never seems to get sucked out. He was up about 6 buy ins yesterday. I started watching his play after you mentioned him the other day.
I wonder if that is a potentially lucrative strategy on microstakes? Get two pair and always go all-in unless there is an obvious flush, etc on the board. I have seen so many hands come down to a single high pair or top two pair. I would never play this way, but for an experiment, it could be interesting.
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05-02-2021 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pokersam12
I wonder if that is a potentially lucrative strategy on microstakes? Get two pair and always go all-in unless there is an obvious flush, etc on the board. I have seen so many hands come down to a single high pair or top two pair. I would never play this way, but for an experiment, it could be interesting.
I don't know how it is at the higher stakes but I've seen the two pair strategy work very effectively and profitably on the lower stakes (.05-.10, .15-.30), especially against people who play their hands face up.

@ Matt Since we're playing low stakes, like .30 and below, truthfully, we're all bad players who're just trying to get better. Yeah, there are some that are worse but still, it's not like anyone is a great player at these stakes.

We're on a pathway - read, study, watch videos and post here for feedback. Like Nandez says "It's all what you want to put into it".
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05-02-2021 , 09:52 AM
I think it would really depend on the table and your opponents.
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