like 10 hands in match, nothing rly happende so far, villain is small winner in ssnlhe so his ptr reveals, this is the first time he 3b, should i get it in here?

(btw: im new to plo)

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $2(BB) Poker Stars
($213)
Hero ($200)

Dealt to Hero T 4 7 2

Hero raises to $6, raises to $18, Hero calls $12

FLOP ($36) 2 3 4

bets $22, Hero raises to $101, raises to $195 (AI), Hero calls $80.50 (AI)

TURN ($400) 2 3 4 4

RIVER ($400) 2 3 4 4 9

Hero shows T 4 7 2
(Pre 40%, Flop 18.4%, Turn 92.5%)

shows 7 6 5 6
(Pre 60%, Flop 81.6%, Turn 7.5%)

Hero wins $399

Utter trash starting hand, I'd fold pre (before I can even be 3bet; def fold to 3bet). On the flop, it's pretty likely he has the wheel or AA with nut flush draw, but some people play bare AA that fast. Obviously, that's your best case scenario. Without any kind of a (good) str8 or flush redraw, I probably just call on the flop and reevaluate on the turn.

Especially early in the game I like to raise every button (maybe minraise) and see how villain plays. We have 40% equity even against the top 30% of hands - coupled with position I don't mind opening here.

dont fold pre at either opportunity, its not a super strong hand but its somewhat connected and double suited, trivial call of the 3 bet imo

and we flopped ok but were not doing well vs his getting it in range so dont really know how id play it, interesting spot

Really? I don't play that much hu, but it seems like this hand flops so poorly that I'd rather just fold to the 3bet.

almost any ds hand (except maybe those with really low pairs) is good enough to call a 3bet with HU.

This is good enough for me to snap PF 3bets..

I really, really don't like getting it in on this flop. Top-and-bottom two pair on this board isn't a very strong hand, even HU, and there are straights and straight draws and flush draws we don't have. Even if you put him on high cards/pairs because of the 3-bet, the fact that we don't have clubs is a real problem.

How much value does the suited 24 really add to our hand? It's going to hit a lot of bad draws and bad 2 pairs.

with position it's ok, since we're often playing the board, not our actual hand. generally i look at the bad fd's as a backup plan for a 2pair+ hand or blockers against a better fd, and 42 is playable, u can flop a straight vs top set on A35, and it's not like u are required to get it in whenever u hit 2pair.

Ok used propokertools for the first time and tried to figure out his possible stackoffrange

board: 2c 3c 4s
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Th 7h 4d 2d 34.72% 206,768 3,144
AcA*c*, KcK*c*, 5678, AA5*, 4567 65.28% 390,088 3,144

So call and reevaluate turn is the consensus...


ty for all responses btw

Pre is close imo...def. an open early in a match but it plays so poorly with the low pair and 3 suits that folding to the 3bet might actually be best only 100bb deep.

Post I like how you played it except I would have prob sized it a little smaller on the flop so you can bluff here as well. You will rarely be getting it in vs both a better made hand AND a better draw like you did in this hand and you might have FE vs some hands that you would like to fold out.

im done if a guy minraises me HU from the BU

Pre isn't close flop is gross

Pre isnt even debatable imo.

Flop I either call or fold, you decide, but I am under no circumstances ever shoving here even against the wildest of opponents.

Actually I think it's ok to shove against a super aggro opponent.
Once you raise the flop, you have to call it off, but early in the match, without knowing his tendencies, this might be on the spewy side against a TAG reg.

However, can't be that bad. You're flipping against AAxx, and 40% against AcKcQJ type hands.

Only times you're really hurting is against a made straight, where you only have 20%, but that's definitely not the majority of his CBetting range.

given the FE you have on this board and how much people CBet in HU matches, I'd say it's actually a fine shove 100BB deep.

Thing about Pre is that, if you're not calling a 3Bet with that hand, you shouldn't raise with it in the first place. That makes you too exploitable and villain (if observant) will start 3Betting you a ton and folding 40% of your opening range.

Fodling PF is fine, calling a 3Bet IP is fine. Raising and folding to a 3Bet is not (although it is with really crappy hands if you're opening close to 100%, obviously).

Definitely high variance and sets up a really aggro dynamic for the match, but against villain's range, not a horendous play by any means.

Its not a horrendous play, its just as you said a super high variance play.

Obviously we are never folding when we decide to raise, I just prefer a tad bit lower variance by either just calling the initial c-bet and evaluating a lot of the turn cards, or just folding and stepping aside in order to find easier spots. No shame in folding here at all imo.

Jam this flop over and over again and I would guess that its basically a 50/50 flip down the road in which no player is ever going to come out ahead much at all. If thats the kind of dynamic you want to create in the match, then sure, go for it. Just be conscious of what it entails and how to incorporate it into the overall strategy a little later down the road in the match, and thats how you can make a flop jam a little bit more +EV.

Ye, i dont get why ppl are whining about the pre call? I specifically play hu, and i rarely, if ever, fold to a 3bet. Spesh not a hand like this.
Tbh, i dont care much for the flop raise. A hand like AAcc has u in bad shape, but a hand like villain has, is well within villains 3bet range.
Id call flop bet, but wouldnt be overly happy about it, as there are so few turn cards that we like. Fortunately we got lucky, but other than a 2 or a 4, what good turn cards are there?
For all those not liking the 3-bet call, HU, we should rarely be folding to a 3bet in pos imo.

Dap, just curious, if call here, there are like 4 turn cards we really like, turn is going to be tough to play even ip. What's the plan for the rest of the hand? It seems like calling is the worst thing to do here bc of this.

As for the hand, I have no idea. In game i'd prob fold, but I'm a nit

I think the ppl complaining about the call are not hu players. super standard pf imo

This. In HU games, pf hands arent that important. Lots of little things are, with position being a key one. Why, in my mind, its +EV to be calling a high (very close to 100% imo) number of 3bets in position.

why?