Is there a maths thread that looks at how to calculate EV when facing a 4b or 5b? I seem to remember one, but can't find. Anyone have a link?

I think Quadrophenia might've done something like that.

all of this assumes you have ppt odds oracle. if you dont, get it.

step 1 - assign your oppt a 4/5b range. To maximise accuracy, I prefer to determine the % and then build the range manually, but there are shortcuts you can use - if you think his 4b in this spot is 5%, for example, then "5%6h" runs ur hand vs top 5% as ranked by ppt. Building ur own range macros is pretty simple, and I speak as someone with no mathematical/statistical/computer programming qualifications. Lets say ur hand is 9s7c6c3d and your oppt is 4b 5%.

step 2 - determine how much equity you'll need to flop to contest the pot. part of why 4/5b calcs are, when compared to other spots, simple to analyse is that the low spr/narrow ranges make for a fair amount of certainty that postflop play will be pretty stfwd, so ur equity will often be realised and as such the numbers will tell more of the story than, for example, figuring out the ev of calling a 3bet with 100bb eff, when all kinds of weird and wonderful things can go down postflop. for simplicity lets say action went him 30 you 3b to 100 him 4b to 300 and everyone else folded at their first opportunity, and eff stacks are 100bb at 5/10 to start the hand, so to get the rest in on the flop if you call pre you will need to flop 700/2000=.35, so 35% equity or more.

step 3 - in questions tab, enter How often does...[you]...have hand vs perceived equity of at least...35%...on the flop...vs range...5%6h/your manually built range. You can change preferences for how many trials are run or just run it a few times and take an average, since this is just to illustrate methodology I ran it once and got 53.5pc. So, we have first known quantity - if you call, 46.5pc of time you will flop <35pc and lose ur 200 preflop call (assuming everyone plays super stfwdly etc, you can mentally adjust if oppt is likely to chk back and let you bluff certain textures etc).
So, on the losing side we have .465*200=93.

step 4 - at the top to right of board and dead, require that, and enter same criteria as in step 5, to determine ur avg equity when you do contest the pot. This yields 9s7c6c3d 54.5775% 54.2254% 0.7042% 154 2
5%6h 45.4225% 45.0704% 0.7042% 128 2

so on avg when u call pre and dont fold flop, you will have 54.58pc eq in a pot of 2k.
2k*.5458=1091.6. Given that stack if we call - stack if we fold = our profit by calling, 1091.6-900=191.6. So, on the winning side we have .535*191.6.

step 5 - put them together. .535*191.6 - .465*200...102.5-93=9.5=a fractionally under 1bb +ev preflop call.

Hand 1
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Seat 1: ($1,246.06)
Seat 5: ($1,984.74)
Seat 6: ($1,965.96)
Button is seat 1
Seat 5: posts small blind $3
Seat 6: posts big blind $6
Seat 1: posts a straddle $12
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Seat 6: dealt [Kh 4h 6s 9d]
Seat 5: calls $9
Seat 6: calls $6
Seat 1: checks
*** FLOP *** [5h 2h Jc]
Seat 5: bets $24
Seat 6: raises $72
Seat 1: calls $72
Seat 5: calls $48
*** TURN *** [5h 2h Jc] [Tc]
Seat 5: checks
Seat 6: bets $167
Seat 1: raises $751.50
Seat 5: ??

Seat 1 was aggressive and was an unknown

Hand 2
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Seat 1: ($703.25)
Seat 2: ($586.05)
Seat 3: ($219)
Seat 4: ($608.36)
Seat 5: ($292.37)
Seat 6: ($1,273.65)
Button is seat 4
Seat 5: posts small blind $3
Seat 6: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Seat 6: dealt [As 9s Ah Qs]
Seat 1: raises $12
Seat 2: folds
Seat 3: folds
Seat 4: folds
Seat 5: folds
Seat 6: raises $30
Seat 1: calls $24
*** FLOP *** [8s 5s 4d]
Seat 6: bets $48
Seat 1: calls $48
*** TURN *** [8s 5s 4d] [3c]
Seat 6: bets $84
Seat 1: raises $420
Seat 6: ??

Loose fish 63/18/5, kinda kicked myself on this one because I felt he's got a made straight and I should have checked and felt foolish to call/fold the river shove if I bricked

Wtf is this straddle and ****

WPN has a straddle option that some fish use

played more with this villain and he only does it 3-handed is effectively his button.

Sorry for low stakes, couldn't find an appropriate thread in SSPLO forum and didn't want to make a thread for such a simple hand.

Villain is a reg. How much better is call than shove or vice versa and why?

$2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
FullTiltPoker
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB H ($417.75) 104bb
BB V ($480.55) 120bb

Pre-Flop: ($6, 2 players) H is SB 6 2 2 7
H raises to $12, V calls $8

Flop: 6 Q J ($24, 2 players)
V checks, H bets $16.80, V calls $16.80

Turn: 2 ($57.60, 2 players)
V checks, H bets $40.30, V raises to $166

call

with these stacks just stick it in theres alot of rivers that might kill your action / if he has some sort of combodraw he might give up on a blank

This feels like more of a fold than a call or shove. I think a better question is, is it worth it to bet turn?

Looked at this hand again and see that villain is a reg not a fish. Would def prefer to jam turn. Villain will call off worse made hands and semi-bluffs on the turn but play them close to perfect on the river. Hero is cbet this flop and turn at a really high % so his range is still close to ATC. Bottom set definitely needs to be in his value turn cbet range and should be about the bottom of his value range to jam against the turn c/r.

I wouldn't even consider checking turn

That is most certainly not a better question

wtf is going on
I get it in very happy here!!!!

Got a question on this hand:

for me it's super standard, but two of my friends disagree. Am I missing some?
It's an easy 3bet vs. 74% OR and an easy call tot he 4bet. BB has AAxx here almost certainly.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $20.00 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Button ($4,627)
Hero (SB) ($1,976)
BB ($4,438.50)
UTG ($1,363)
MP ($4,735.18)
CO ($1,418.94)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, J, 10, 10
3 folds, Button raises to $60, Hero raises to $224, BB raises to $756, 1 fold, Hero calls $532

Flop: ($1,596) 8, 3, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1,260, Hero calls $1,216 (All-In)

Running it twice

First Turn: ($2,014) 6
First River: ($2,014) J

Second Turn: ($2,014) A
Second River: ($2,014) 4

Board 1: 8, 3, 3, 6, J
Board 2: 8, 3, 3, A, 4

Total pot: $4,028 | Rake: $3

Results below: [spoiler]
Hero had 3, J, 10, 10
Hero had full house, threes over Jacks on the first board and collected $2,014
Hero had three of a kind, threes on the second board
BB had 7, 7, A, A
BB had two pair, Aces and threes on the first board
BB had full house, Aces over threes on the second board and collected $2,014
Outcome: Hero won $2,012.50, BB won $2,012.50[/spoiler]

He would have to be a huge nit to not get it in. I expect to see bare QJ here more then Sets. Or Q6 hands with clubs or something. Just go allin.

he thinks hero has 62 in which case the answer to his last question is the same

OK, this is my first hand itt. Could be super standard or potentially borderline, I just need an honest feedback.

SCOOP $530 tourney, already itm, avg stack ~50K, is this a push (effective call) or a fold on the flop?

seems like super ez stackoff vs a reasonable sb pottingrange 10bb deep

with the gutter and backdoor spades i dont think u have a choice given stacksizes. also its 6m, so its not like u would want to wait a dozen hands for a decent shoving hand

well i would snap shove for 10bb in a cash game, idk what changes in a tournament re ranges and pay grades, but yeah

im gonna go with it on that flop or else I would have folded pre. I saw a lot of weird stuff when the bubble burst. I folded my way from 90 to 60 people then gathered a lot of chips and dusted them off anyways. Made my standard donation to caprioli to keep him alive made me feel like 2010.

people were being pretty darn spewy BvB. I lost a pot to ImaLukSak where he limp potted AxTd9d8x BvB on a 10x stack into my 50x stack. That was by far not the worst I saw. There was a NL guy who would literally pot all SB into me and 75% flop and turn for about 3 hours straight.

I wish they ran more big PLO stuff. I missed all but yesterday sadly. Congrats to anyone who binked and props to the winner of the $530 as he was under 5BB for about an hour into the money.

Can't fold here, you easily got 30% vs any reasonable range. And having 6.7bb stack with and SB to post is such a weak position anyway.