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12-18-2012 , 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MauriceSch
How do you fold that against me ;-) Split pot, buddy.
Haha Well my reasening for folding was this. After I cb 4 way and check this turn I assumed that you have to expect zero FE on a turn bet. I view u as a smart player, so I figured u realise that. And therefor very rarely bet the turn as bluf, or vb the turn with a worse hand then mine. Dunno your exact hand ofc, but almost any hand that includes AK(and not having a set) is pretty weird to bet the turn with on your part imo, as I am never folding better, or calling worse(esp as PFR UTG, and 4 way cbetter). So it isnt a bluf, isnt a VB, and most likely isnt a bet for protection. The only reason I can think that it might be profitable is a turnbet AND river bet, to make me fold something there. But I am pretty sure I have enough hands in my range that I XRAI on the turn with, or call the riverbet with, and there for hardly get exploited in this spot. Might be way of tho.

The riverbet. I think we hardly have any history, and therefor I am very rarely calling with worse in this spot, at this point. You may avoid a split pot sometimes. But then again I think you are valuecutting yourself a decent bit on the river, esp vs my ranges, and the K on the river.

Besides that I saw you checkback in some spots with pretty strong hands(not vs me), so I didnt expect u to vb "light". It's hard to think of hands that u can bluf with considering the actions, board and my hand. So I folded. I doubt u had AK

Last edited by MVB; 12-18-2012 at 06:24 PM.
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12-18-2012 , 06:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doorbread
was that on party?
y
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12-24-2012 , 02:46 PM
HH from memory...home for the holidays

Online 5/5 6 max

Hero is SB w $825 AA42dhhh.

EP TAG reg ($1600 stack) opens pot to $20, tight shortstack ($280 stack) flats, huge fish (~$800 stack) flats, hero in SB 3bets to $100. Everyone calls.

Flop 7d2d3s. pot ~$420

Hero ??? ($725 behind)
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12-24-2012 , 04:52 PM
420
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12-24-2012 , 08:03 PM
This isnt my hand, but me and lot of other players were arguing over this hand in Estonias biggest poker-forum.

Fold preflop or ship?
Is shipping bad/spewy?

Pokerstars 25-50$ game.



$25/$50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
PokerStars
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG Kzouuls31 ($5,000) 100bb
UTG+1 mahtipeluri ($10,000.86) 200bb
CO Ben86 ($1,657.50) 33bb
BTN phounderAA ($5,285) 106bb
SB TheCleaner11 ($5,000) 100bb
BB idntrllycare ($1,325) 27bb

Pre-Flop: ($75, 6 players) idntrllycare is BB J K 9 7
Kzouuls31 raises to $100, 2 folds, phounderAA raises to $375, 1 fold, idntrllycare raises to $1,250, Kzouuls31 folds, phounderAA calls $875

Flop: Q 4 4 ($2,625, 2 players)
idntrllycare goes all-in $75, phounderAA calls $75

Turn: 10 ($2,775, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: A ($2,775, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $2,775
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12-24-2012 , 08:11 PM
lolbad to ship pf, the range we get it in against dominate us so much...
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12-24-2012 , 08:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexKP
lolbad to ship pf, the range we get it in against dominate us so much...
+1

shove only could be good if Kzouuls is a high vpip fish and your image is tagish
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12-25-2012 , 01:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nachunja
question.
both are good HS plo regs. sb especially. not aware of dynamics.

will sb's c/c flop ever show a profit?


Poker Stars $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $2 Ante - 3 players - View hand 1965221
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $2142.84
SB: $1683.50
BB: $1446.50

Pre Flop: ($21.00)
BTN raises to $25, SB raises to $91, 1 fold, BTN raises to $289, SB calls $198

Flop: ($594.00) 8 3 A (2 players)
SB checks, BTN bets $325, SB calls $325

Turn: ($1244.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, BTN checks

River: ($1244.00) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $730, BTN calls $730

Final Pot: $2704.00
SB shows 6 8 9 7 (a full house, Sixes full of Eights)
SB wins $2702.50
(Rake: $1.50)
Yeah call that flop all day


Quote:
Originally Posted by BCQ
    Party, $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14338231

    BTN: $600 (100 bb)
    MP: $277.75 (46.3 bb)
    Hero (CO): $1,618.05 (269.7 bb)
    BB: $1,520.58 (253.4 bb)
    SB: $271.22 (45.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 9 5 8
    MP folds, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, BB calls $12

    Flop: ($39) 7 K 4 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $30, BB raises to $127.05, Hero calls $97.05

    Turn: ($293.10) 6 (2 players)
    BB bets $217.57, Hero raises to $635.14, BB calls $417.57

    River: ($1,563.38) 9 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $837.86, BB calls $740.39 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $3,044.16 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: 7 K 4 6 9
    Hero showed 6 9 5 8 and lost (-$1,520.58 net)
    BB showed 3 J K K and won $3,041.16 ($1,520.58 net)



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    Villain 44/22, CR just 4.5%, so he has to have a set on flop. His Agg% riv is 20% and AF riv=4.8. Standard shove, right? Not sure if can be called by worse though...


    B
    Terrible river play


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nachunja
    SB has 56 79

    BB is good reg

    Should SB bet/fold or check/fold or check call?

    UTG: $1169.10
    MP: $1502.20
    CO: $3929.09
    BTN: $2235.80
    SB: $3867.00
    BB: $2492.00

    Pre Flop: ($27.00)
    3 folds, BTN calls $10, SB calls $5, BB raises to $52, BTN calls $42, SB calls $42

    Flop: ($168.00) 8 3 K (3 players)
    SB checks, BB bets $110, BTN folds, SB raises to $300, BB calls $190

    Turn: ($768.00) 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $570, BB calls $570

    River: ($1908.00) K (2 players)
    SB (1600 eff)
    check/fold


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by phunkphish
    Stupid middle set. When am I supposed to fold?


    2-5 Live, 10 straddle is on. Villain is UTG+1, decent player, Taggy.
    Stacks: both Hero and Villain have ~$2000

    Preflop: Hero is on the button with 9 9 Q A
    2 limpers; Hero limps; SB calls, BB calls, STRAD checks.

    Flop, 6 players ($60) -- 6 9 K
    5 checks; Hero bets $60. 3 folds, Villain raises to $150. folds. Hero calls.

    Turn: ($360) -- 4
    Villain bets $360; Hero calls.

    River: ($1080) -- 6
    Villain bets $500; Hero calls.

    Villain shows KK with diamonds.
    that's just a bummer, but you played it fine


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BLAABAR
    This hand bugged me. Sb was new to me but seemed on the solid side. he got his stack by getting AAxx pre agaisnt a fishs TTxx and by floping a straight vs a turned topset.


    1k for me to call on the river.

    in retrospect i should have called the turn maybe. dont know whats the best play..

    thoughts?


      Poker Stars, $10/$20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14450671
      MP3: $468.46 (23.4 bb)
      CO: $1,499.20 (75 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $4,135.80 (206.8 bb)
      SB: $6,083.64 (304.2 bb)
      BB: $1,973.25 (98.7 bb)
      UTG+1: $871 (43.6 bb)
      UTG+2: $8,838.70 (441.9 bb)
      MP1: $7,402 (370.1 bb)
      MP2: $4,231 (211.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K J A Q
      6 folds, Hero raises to $50, SB calls $40, BB folds

      Flop: ($120) 8 T J (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $80, SB raises to $288.63, Hero calls $208.63

      Turn: ($697.26) K (2 players)
      SB bets $694.26, Hero raises to $2,777.04, SB calls $2,082.78

      River: ($6,251.34) T (2 players)
      SB bets $2,204.97, Hero folds

      Results: $6,251.34 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: 8 T J K T
      Hero mucked K J A Q and lost (-$3,115.67 net)
      SB mucked and won $6,248.34 ($3,132.67 net)



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      Call turn b/c you have to fold a bunch of rivers. the T of spades is one of those rivers


      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Capitulate_Please
      HH from memory...home for the holidays

      Online 5/5 6 max

      Hero is SB w $825 AA42dhhh.

      EP TAG reg ($1600 stack) opens pot to $20, tight shortstack ($280 stack) flats, huge fish (~$800 stack) flats, hero in SB 3bets to $100. Everyone calls.

      Flop 7d2d3s. pot ~$420

      Hero ??? ($725 behind)
      It's nice that pot is actually 420

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by hotcocacola
      This isnt my hand, but me and lot of other players were arguing over this hand in Estonias biggest poker-forum.

      Fold preflop or ship?
      Is shipping bad/spewy?

      Pokerstars 25-50$ game.



      $25/$50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
      PokerStars
      6 Players

      Stacks:
      UTG Kzouuls31 ($5,000) 100bb
      UTG+1 mahtipeluri ($10,000.86) 200bb
      CO Ben86 ($1,657.50) 33bb
      BTN phounderAA ($5,285) 106bb
      SB TheCleaner11 ($5,000) 100bb
      BB idntrllycare ($1,325) 27bb

      Pre-Flop: ($75, 6 players) idntrllycare is BB J K 9 7
      Kzouuls31 raises to $100, 2 folds, phounderAA raises to $375, 1 fold, idntrllycare raises to $1,250, Kzouuls31 folds, phounderAA calls $875

      Flop: Q 4 4 ($2,625, 2 players)
      idntrllycare goes all-in $75, phounderAA calls $75

      Turn: 10 ($2,775, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: A ($2,775, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: $2,775
      That's a terrible hand and you should feel bad
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      12-25-2012 , 07:26 AM
      PokerStars - $4 PL Hi (2 max) - Omaha - 2 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (BB): $1,038.61
      SB: $299.21

      SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00

      Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has Q 7 K A

      SB raises to $8.00, Hero calls $4.00

      Flop: ($16.00, 2 players) A 7 3
      Hero bets $7.75, SB calls $7.75

      Turn: ($31.50, 2 players) 6
      Hero checks, SB bets $24.00, Hero calls $24.00

      River: ($79.50, 2 players) 7
      Hero bets $79.00, SB raises to $259.46 and is all-in, Hero???

      villain slow played before and didn't raised light at all but can u ever fold here? he stucks 1.2k at the moment the hand came up makes this fact this a more clear call?
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      12-25-2012 , 02:41 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by F3rz3nd3
      PokerStars - $4 PL Hi (2 max) - Omaha - 2 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (BB): $1,038.61
      SB: $299.21

      SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00

      Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has Q 7 K A

      SB raises to $8.00, Hero calls $4.00

      Flop: ($16.00, 2 players) A 7 3
      Hero bets $7.75, SB calls $7.75

      Turn: ($31.50, 2 players) 6
      Hero checks, SB bets $24.00, Hero calls $24.00

      River: ($79.50, 2 players) 7
      Hero bets $79.00, SB raises to $259.46 and is all-in, Hero???

      villain slow played before and didn't raised light at all but can u ever fold here? he stucks 1.2k at the moment the hand came up makes this fact this a more clear call?
      you played pretty much every street wrong and dont ****ing slowroll
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      12-25-2012 , 03:21 PM
      yeah, when someone says every street its usually them being a prick

      but every street here
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      12-27-2012 , 01:39 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Lemay002
      you played pretty much every street wrong and dont ****ing slowroll
      don't think he said he slowrolled
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      12-27-2012 , 02:12 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Lemay002
      you played pretty much every street wrong and dont ****ing slowroll
      thissssss.
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      12-27-2012 , 02:57 PM
      nvm, didn't read hand
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      12-27-2012 , 04:24 PM
      Villain plays 30/19/6. I'm playing LAGy with ~20% 4bet.

      Poker Stars $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.80 Ante - 6 players

      BB: $564.00
      Hero (UTG): $1201.20
      MP: $1539.40
      CO: $910.80
      BTN: $619.07
      SB: $480.00

      Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero is UTG with A K 6 A
      Hero raises to $16, 1 fold, CO raises to $58.80, 3 folds, Hero raises to $187.20, CO calls $128.40

      Flop: ($385.20) 4 6 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $183.55, CO raises to $722.80 all in, Hero calls $539.25
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      12-27-2012 , 07:05 PM
      chk imo

      wa/wb hits his range better than yours, dont mind giving free cards to a lot of his range, he can stab misses
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      12-28-2012 , 07:06 PM
      Not much reads, but villain is a LAG 38/27, af 4.0, seems to fight quite much on 3b pots. What do you guys think how should I play?

        Party, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15183181

        MP: $669.73 (167.4 bb)
        CO: $413.25 (103.3 bb)
        BB: $414.50 (103.6 bb)
        BTN: $609.79 (152.4 bb)
        UTG: $602.12 (150.5 bb)
        Hero (SB): $400 (100 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 5 8 7
        UTG folds, MP raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero raises to $46, BB folds, MP calls $32

        Flop: ($96) K 9 2 (2 players)
        Hero ?




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        01-01-2013 , 12:22 PM
        @chuck, i prefer cbet/call than ck as doorbread siad. we need protect our hand, theres almost 100bbs in the pot, winning this hand now would be great. if he shoves, we have odds against par + str8 draws, that he will have good amount of time (QJ76ds, 9876, KQ65ds etc).

        @trash. hard spot to play... i cbet and hope he folds. =p

        have this hand... both villain are standard regs. this is boring spot... can i stack off? i have only $340 left. if i call 340, its to play for $2,4k pot. (im short).

        i have only overs on flop, but 7, 9, T, J, heart on turn make my hand very nice.

        Grabbed by Holdem Manager
        PL Omaha $20(BB) Replayer
        SB ($2,000)
        BB ($1,739)
        Hero ($800)

        Dealt to Hero Q T J 9

        Hero raises to $40, SB raises to $140, BB raises to $460, Hero calls $420, SB calls $320

        FLOP ($1,380) 2 8 4

        SB bets $1,378, BB calls $1,279 (AI), Hero ??
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        01-01-2013 , 12:47 PM
        You need just over 15% to call, and I think your backdoors give you that.
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        01-01-2013 , 12:47 PM
        Just run a sim, seems close either way

        (enter JAOP?)
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        01-01-2013 , 08:56 PM
        ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
        600,000 trials (Randomized)
        board: 842
        Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
        Qh9hJcTc14.21% 83,5533,379
        AA, AKK, KK:5%, AQQ:xx, AQQ:3%46.85% 273,45115,247
        (8,4,2,53,657,84,82,42): (12%, xxyy:25%)38.95% 225,40316,576





        ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
        600,000 trials (Randomized)
        board: 842
        Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
        Qh9hJcTc14.17% 83,3313,363
        AA, AKK, KK:5%, AQQ:xx, AQQ:3%46.80% 273,17915,286
        (8,4,2,53,657): (12%, xxyy:25%)39.03% 225,89916,550


        ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
        600,000 trials (Randomized)
        board: 842
        Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
        Qh9hJcTc13.97% 82,1193,368
        AA, AKK, KK:5%, AQQ:xx, AQQ:3%46.09% 270,85911,357
        (8,53,657, 84,82,42): (12%, xxyy:25%)39.94% 233,31112,718



        ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
        600,000 trials (Randomized)
        board: 842
        Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
        Qh9hJcTc14.31% 84,1683,347
        AA, AKK, KK:5%47.40% 276,46915,814
        (8,4,2,53,657, 84,82,42): (12%, xxyy:25%)38.30% 221,21817,142
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        01-01-2013 , 11:52 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by urubu111
        @chuck, i prefer cbet/call than ck as doorbread siad. we need protect our hand, theres almost 100bbs in the pot, winning this hand now would be great. if he shoves, we have odds against par + str8 draws, that he will have good amount of time (QJ76ds, 9876, KQ65ds etc).
        he will bet these when you chk anyway
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        01-02-2013 , 01:33 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Doorbread
        he will bet these when you chk anyway
        Obv check.
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        01-02-2013 , 03:16 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Trash
        Not much reads, but villain is a LAG 38/27, af 4.0, seems to fight quite much on 3b pots. What do you guys think how should I play?

          Party, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15183181

          MP: $669.73 (167.4 bb)
          CO: $413.25 (103.3 bb)
          BB: $414.50 (103.6 bb)
          BTN: $609.79 (152.4 bb)
          UTG: $602.12 (150.5 bb)
          Hero (SB): $400 (100 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 5 8 7
          UTG folds, MP raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero raises to $46, BB folds, MP calls $32

          Flop: ($96) K 9 2 (2 players)
          Hero ?




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          b/f
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          01-02-2013 , 03:43 AM
          $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
          4 Players
          Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

          Stacks:
          CO ($4,063.97) 677bb
          BTN ($755.25) 126bb
          doorbread (SB) ($1,857.41) 310bb
          BB ($1,977.90) 330bb

          Pre-Flop: ($9, 4 players) doorbread is SB A 9 Q J
          CO raises to $21, BTN calls $21, doorbread raises to $90, 1 fold, CO raises to $297, BTN calls $276, doorbread calls $207

          Flop: 6 4 8 ($897, 3 players)
          doorbread checks, CO checks, BTN checks

          Turn: 10 ($897, 3 players)



          co is shoving any flop equity with 1.6 spr and btn is too with .5

          Last edited by Doorbread; 01-02-2013 at 03:50 AM.
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