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02-19-2012 , 08:16 PM
thank you.
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02-19-2012 , 08:49 PM
Apologies for posting a small stakes hand here, but I wanted some qualified opinions. Me and CZI have been discussing the turn bet for ages. Villain is a random.

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PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($198)
___HotTun___ ($200)
Hero ($253)
BTN ($296)

SB antes $0.20
___HotTun___ antes $0.20
Hero antes $0.20
BTN antes $0.20

Dealt to Hero T 9 A Q

Hero raises to $3, fold, SB raises to $10.80, fold, Hero calls $7.80

FLOP ($23.40) 8 5 Q

SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB calls $14

TURN ($51.40) 8 5 Q 4

SB checks, Hero bets $41, SB calls $41

RIVER ($133) 8 5 Q 4 6

SB checks, Hero bets $99
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02-19-2012 , 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by urubu111
never folding AQQTr.

at 6max table w/ all villains being illari, durrrr and isil, i still open lol.

KKQQds i 4b pre, but calling isn't bad. flop i c/c. 6% 3bettor has premium rundowns... 2aces on deck, 2 kings on ur hand, 2 queens on ur hand...almost impossible for him having AKQJ, AQJTds stuff.... and lol@floping quads. def c/c to bead his JT98.

calling pre isn't a mistake, but c/folding flop its a big mistake imo.
thx one more time. but about that KKQQ hand...

ProPokerTools says that against top 6% hands on the flop I have pretty poor eq.

Not really sure can I or can't trust this ppt hand ranking system here.
I have no idea how it works. But i suspect it can be a bit off from real range villain has here. still even if we give us extra 10% of equity here, we are not dong well.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
2,239,420 trials (Exhaustive)
board: AA7
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KcQcKsQs21.64% 358,158252,947
6%78.36% 1,628,315252,947
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02-20-2012 , 01:43 AM
villain 3betting 32%

pot get it in on flop?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Merge, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $693.15 (173.3 bb)
Hero (SB): $806 (201.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A 6 A
Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $36, Hero raises to $108, BB calls $72

Flop: ($216) T 2 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero
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02-20-2012 , 01:50 AM
on that flop hes almost always c/c so sizing can be smaller..maybe 60% pot, re potjam/fold if you have reads
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02-20-2012 , 02:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2+2=5
couple more stupid hands, I'm sorry if these are ridiculous.
BTN is very good reg, should I get involved here with this hand oop?

CO: $170.00
BTN: $1917.00
SB: $1895.25
BB: $1000.00
Hero (UTG): $3273.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is UTG with Q A Q T
Hero raises to $35, 1 fold, BTN raises to $110, 2 folds, Hero?

and also this, also very good villain.

BTN: $1000.00
SB: $1000.00
BB: $1905.25
Hero (CO): $1187.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is CO with 6 9 9 A
Hero raises to $35, 1 fold, SB raises to $115, Hero?

I both openfold and fold vs 3-bet both hands.
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02-20-2012 , 02:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Syous
villain 3betting 32%

pot get it in on flop?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Merge, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $693.15 (173.3 bb)
Hero (SB): $806 (201.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A 6 A
Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $36, Hero raises to $108, BB calls $72

Flop: ($216) T 2 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero

Definetely bet/call. If you are asking about sizing, it is pretty stupid in vacuum. Your sizing should depend on your game plan, which, in turn, depends of your PF range. If you ever have here complete air (i.e. AQ43ds) then bet like 124$, if you 4-bet tighter, then just pot it.
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02-20-2012 , 08:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by K_2
on that flop hes almost always c/c so sizing can be smaller..maybe 60% pot, re potjam/fold if you have reads
Anything but this
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02-20-2012 , 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2+2=5
is this a call or a fold? we obv know he has AA here always or good KK, like doublesuited with good side cards.


CO: $992.74
BTN: $223.03
SB: $600.00
Hero (BB): $634.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 3 3 7 7
CO raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero raises to $57, CO raises to $174



and a general question, are we calling 4bet HU with 100bb with double paired hand? how much it affects on our decision if it's doublesuited, no suits and one suited.
Also interested in this, I have a hard time playing those hands when I face a 4bet pre.

Are we calling 6677r ? 77TTss ? 3388ds ?
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02-20-2012 , 11:20 AM
100BB deep I think it is a fold but lets see.
Assuming we play 5-10 and 2 players take action :
V. Pot Raise :35
HERO 3B Pot : 120
V. 4B Pot : 375
The pot is now 510$
You have to call 255 to see the flop.

If you call there will be 765 and both of you will have 625 left.
You will have to shove when you will have 31% equity.

I will take the 3377ss example vs Vilain 4% Range :
according to PPT, you will have 30% or more equity on 37% of the flops. For an estimated 61ish% of equity when you shove.

If you play optimaly you lose 375$ 63% of the time that is 236$.
and you the 37% you will shove to win 61% of 1015$ that represent 230$.

So when 3 bet you can either lose 12BB when folding to 4B or call lose 0.6BB when calling 4B.

I am surprised but it seems like flatting 4b versus a tight 4% 4B range. Is EV+ when you 3B.
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02-20-2012 , 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CZI
Anything but this
can you expand on reasoning here, thanks
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02-20-2012 , 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojika
Also interested in this, I have a hard time playing those hands when I face a 4bet pre.

Are we calling 6677r ? 77TTss ? 3388ds ?
i didnt do the math by myself but some smart ppl told me that its good with for example QQ99ss but not with QQ77ss (QQ88ss super boarderline...) so i think 7733ss is a fold...
7766 is a fold imo and TT77 again very close but a fold cant be a big mistake, 8833ds is again superclose, fold imo...
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02-20-2012 , 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by heinz spack
i didnt do the math by myself but some smart ppl told me that its good with for example QQ99ss but not with QQ77ss (QQ88ss super boarderline...) so i think 7733ss is a fold...
7766 is a fold imo and TT77 again very close but a fold cant be a big mistake, 8833ds is again superclose, fold imo...
Yeah that's what I thought, probably closer to a fold but very close. Thanks
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02-20-2012 , 06:06 PM
is this okay? std? unnecessary? fist pump?

one is midstakes fish reg, btn is fishier player with ~10% 3b

im kinda asking to get on a roller coaster ride,

this is what i'd give em

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
313,322 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KsK4s436.27% 111,3344,626
10%33.28% 100,3897,760
15%30.45% 92,1316,550

[converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11931862

MP: $1,000 (100 bb)
CO: $627.50 (62.8 bb)
BTN: $1,135.76 (113.6 bb)
SB: $1,753.82 (175.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $1,107 (110.7 bb)
UTG: $444.75 (44.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K 4 4 K
UTG raises to $30, 2 folds, BTN raises to $105, SB folds, Hero raises to $350, UTG raises to $444.75 and is all-in, BTN raises to $689.75, Hero raises to $934.75, BTN raises to $1,135.76 and is all-in, Hero calls $172.25 and is all-in
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02-20-2012 , 08:01 PM
How do I filter out how many buttons villain opens when 1st to act on a 6m table? Thx.
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02-20-2012 , 08:56 PM
in HEM under the main filters tab uncheck everything in "preflop action facing player" except "unopened". then select a report that shows stats by position. the pfr for each position will be the % of the time that villain opens
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02-20-2012 , 09:11 PM
Thank you. I see it, but can't do, for some reason it doesn't allows me to uncheck those Preflop Action marks, maybe some glitch or something. thx anyways.
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02-20-2012 , 10:14 PM
BTN is a very good tag, he seems to be raping the game over pretty large sample. SB is lag reg, but also very good, a bit way to agro for 6max imho, but still very good. should i get into this first time aroung? 2nd?

thank you.

CO: $1060.75
BTN: $1102.74
SB: $461.38
Hero (BB): $3209.79

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BB with 9 7 8 K
1 fold, BTN raises to $26.25, SB raises to $88.75, Hero calls $78.75, BTN raises to $355, SB raises to $461.38 all in, Hero?

Last edited by 2+2=5; 02-20-2012 at 10:28 PM.
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02-20-2012 , 10:27 PM
BTN is Pro shortstacker who is winning over big sample. He is usually leaving the table when his stacks gets around what he has at this moment.
Thoughts on all streets pls, esp pre. Thank you. And sorry that I'm spamming hands in this thread so much. and these hands doesn't really interesting for someone with a clue.

SB: $744.00
BB: $135.00
Hero (UTG): $624.00
CO: $667.95
BTN: $364.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is UTG with T 8 6 5
Hero raises to $21, 1 fold, BTN calls $21, SB raises to $90, 1 fold, Hero calls $69, BTN calls $69

Flop: ($276.00) 8 A 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $273, SB folds, Hero?
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02-20-2012 , 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nachunja
is this okay? std? unnecessary? fist pump?

one is midstakes fish reg, btn is fishier player with ~10% 3b

im kinda asking to get on a roller coaster ride,

this is what i'd give em

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
313,322 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KsK4s436.27% 111,3344,626
10%33.28% 100,3897,760
15%30.45% 92,1316,550

[converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11931862

MP: $1,000 (100 bb)
CO: $627.50 (62.8 bb)
BTN: $1,135.76 (113.6 bb)
SB: $1,753.82 (175.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $1,107 (110.7 bb)
UTG: $444.75 (44.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K 4 4 K
UTG raises to $30, 2 folds, BTN raises to $105, SB folds, Hero raises to $350, UTG raises to $444.75 and is all-in, BTN raises to $689.75, Hero raises to $934.75, BTN raises to $1,135.76 and is all-in, Hero calls $172.25 and is all-in
*DANGER*
*Possible bad advice*

um.. don't think it's terrible and most likely would play it same
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02-20-2012 , 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2+2=5
BTN is a very good tag, he seems to be raping the game over pretty large sample. SB is lag reg, but also very good, a bit way to agro for 6max imho, but still very good. should i get into this first time aroung? 2nd?

thank you.

CO: $1060.75
BTN: $1102.74
SB: $461.38
Hero (BB): $3209.79

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BB with 9 7 8 K
1 fold, BTN raises to $26.25, SB raises to $88.75, Hero calls $78.75, BTN raises to $355, SB raises to $461.38 all in, Hero?

i would call first time round, button is 4 betting not v often. he cant re raise now seems like a pretty clear call to me.
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02-20-2012 , 11:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wazz
Apologies for posting a small stakes hand here, but I wanted some qualified opinions. Me and CZI have been discussing the turn bet for ages. Villain is a random.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($198)
___HotTun___ ($200)
Hero ($253)
BTN ($296)

SB antes $0.20
___HotTun___ antes $0.20
Hero antes $0.20
BTN antes $0.20

Dealt to Hero T 9 A Q

Hero raises to $3, fold, SB raises to $10.80, fold, Hero calls $7.80

FLOP ($23.40) 8 5 Q

SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB calls $14

TURN ($51.40) 8 5 Q 4

SB checks, Hero bets $41, SB calls $41

RIVER ($133) 8 5 Q 4 6

SB checks, Hero bets $99


my 1st reaction was to check but after thinking about it more betting is cool, maybe could go a little less. puts a lot of pressure on a lot of his range (some of which you'd like to protect against) and sets you up for better river options with a wider range. You're also not that bothered about getting jammed on since you can just fold to a random 1/2 player
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02-21-2012 , 12:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nachunja
is this okay? std? unnecessary? fist pump?

one is midstakes fish reg, btn is fishier player with ~10% 3b

im kinda asking to get on a roller coaster ride,

this is what i'd give em

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
313,322 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KsK4s436.27% 111,3344,626
10%33.28% 100,3897,760
15%30.45% 92,1316,550

[converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11931862

MP: $1,000 (100 bb)
CO: $627.50 (62.8 bb)
BTN: $1,135.76 (113.6 bb)
SB: $1,753.82 (175.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $1,107 (110.7 bb)
UTG: $444.75 (44.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K 4 4 K
UTG raises to $30, 2 folds, BTN raises to $105, SB folds, Hero raises to $350, UTG raises to $444.75 and is all-in, BTN raises to $689.75, Hero raises to $934.75, BTN raises to $1,135.76 and is all-in, Hero calls $172.25 and is all-in

coldcalling is prob better than this, can you leave his 3b stat at 10% since 1st guy raised utg?
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02-21-2012 , 03:04 AM
Villain is breakeven/mass tabling tag

Poker Stars $400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $240.81
BTN: $496.70
Hero (SB): $907.40
BB: $400.00
UTG: $757.19

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with K 3 K A
3 folds, Hero raises to $12, BB calls $8

Flop: ($24.00) T 4 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $16.00, BB calls $16

Turn: ($56.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero?? and plans for non spade rivers <6?

I always feel like I have to bet these spots, but just always leads to ugly river spots?
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02-21-2012 , 09:57 AM
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PL Omaha $4(BB) Party
SB ($388)
BB ($573)
CO ($132)
Hero ($980)

Dealt to Hero T 7 Q Q

fold, Hero raises to $12, fold, BB raises to $38, Hero calls $26

FLOP ($78) K 6 2

BB bets $42, Hero calls $42

TURN ($162) K 6 2 9

BB bets $120, Hero calls $120

RIVER ($402) K 6 2 9 8

BB bets $373 (AI), Hero folds

BB wins $400



villain 3b 11% and seems barrel happy too.
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