on global poker i see some accounts who vpip probably 80%, sometimes higher, and run up stacks that are 10 buy ins plus really fast

i dont understand how they are winning like this. when i see people crushing this way it makes me want to just play damn near every hand and try to figure out what they are doing...so i guess the question is: what are they doing??

seeing players sitting with 10-15bi stacks also makes me nervous bcz this is what i used to see on ACR (from the accounts on the published list)

bots tend to accumulate massive stacks because they sit and play at the same table for eight hours. but these guys play usually 35% VPIP or less. most likely these are run good whales, destined to give it back. a big reason why losing players prefer PLO is it is possible to make big runs even if you are a losing player in the long run, because equities run so close and even pretty marginal holdings can flop big at a reasonable frequency. this is in stark contrast to NLHE where the edges for a skilled player are so high that it is much less common for losing players to build massive stacks. it still happens, but at a much lower frequency.


the other thing is that just like good players benefit from great games, so do bad players. if you have a table full of fish, essentially no one is at a disadvantage, and they are just losing to rake, whereas the same fish put in a table of five regs would have lose rate of 40 bb / 100 before the rake simply because their opponents were not making as many mistakes as they were.

I don't get it, you're describing normal PLO whales. They are not winning, they are huge losers

There were a couple bots playing very loose pre and very aggro post on party who got banned lately. They usually had 300-500bb at every table. Pretty sure it's not just botting but also colluding with other bots or sharing holecards.

They are winning everyday consistently, I should have said that in the OP

Maybe the games are soft?

Multitabling ps zoom it takes me all day to get 1000bb+ stacks on every table (i.e. not just one table that's running hot). But at peak times like friday night there are so many donators 2/3 hours works out the same.

The games are generally soft, but yeah generally it takes a few hours to build a huge stack and these accounts are just running it up sometimes in the span of 15-30 mins (consistently)

It’s a shame they don’t allow any huds because I would love to see the stats on these players

Probably like this. From the $60bi, I took the top 20 winners and got rid of the actual good players' stats and this is what I got:



Note that there are 11/20 winners and 17/20 losers. What PPG said is absolutely true. Bad players (60-80% vpip) taking money off of horrible players (80-97% vpip). They're all destined to lose to reasonable players like you (if you are one ) or I.

Before anyone asks what app this is, I'll just say it's PokerMaster with a

I have played like 50% in 6-max really soft games with not too much raising happening and in not too loose games I have temporarily played like 70% that runs into problems only vs. tighter/good players but one can keep an eye open for softer spots in those games also.

This is the point. They say don't berate fish I say berate fish. Who wants a spewtards at theirbtsble playing everybahbd and winning? Berate them till the quit. I was if ubfoins out that after years if playing u never bear this fish who cares if they save right ??

Thanks for the responses, it’s kind of comforting to see that database and be reminded how things shake out after enough volume

I see this too on Global they will suck out or win a bunch of flips in a row just normal Omaha varience I've seem them with like 25x the buy in and then lose it the same way they got it. They're not really winning you're just seeing their little high.

are you taling about global poker dot com?

If so i have to get into those games

river_pheonix!? i thought you died outside the viper club

since the discussion is about wide ranges id like to ask: in games where our opponents are playing very wide (live/micros), should our ranges also expand from optimal? are we justified in playing wider?

i believe the consensus is yes, but not too much. we still want to show up better off than the rest. small adjustments (5%, 10%), pre can have a big impact on how we fare post

in my experience you can wander off pretty far as long as your hand has a couple of nutty features

just as an example you might want to start PIPing nut-suits IP, which perform so well in MWPs