to get it in pre when you are short stacking in a live full ring cash game and think you have basically no fold equity against the preflop raiser (who is a smart player that knows your plan) that you can expect to repot most of the time to get you heads up?

with what hands are you willing to get it in if there will be half your stacks worth of dead money added to the race?

3/4ths your stack?

2-1 on your money?

Hands which have positive ev in that situation vs. opponents ranges. You also can't expect someone to repop 100 % of the time. So no one can answer, but I'll start with AA and QJT9ss.

im thinking any 4 cards except for trips below KKK and quads in most situation?

some players you know are going to repot

either they are so nitty that their preflop raise is 100% AA that they will automatically repot with, or they (like you) see the dead money out there and know there 6789ds is never in that bad of shape and will put other big stacks behind them to the decision to gamble or not

so no responses?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...68&postcount=3

just go play around with ppt and see how much equity you have with various hands vs various ranges.

i have played around with the odds a ton, and i play live every day and the structure just changed so that the game got way bigger pre and i am getting great odds on my short stacking preflop ships....... but ive lost 13 of my last 15 flips (ok not all were preflop flips, and calling some flips isnt right as ive been big fav and once big dog) and am just wondering what im doing wrong

i dont understand how i can constantly be getting my money in with 40% (or better) equity and 1.75 to 1 (or better) odds plus running it twice and not be winning long term........ but im not

thats because 15 times is not long term and because god hates shortstackers

if you're seriously complaining about losing 13/15 flips you may be playing the wrong game

that sort of run happens daily for grinders.

How much dead money you need is a tricky question.
How much i want?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLD-7bCtME

god hates me not shortstackers

and im only talking my last 15 cuz thats my most recent, i quit this ish after almost going broke from it over the summer by getting in the same plus ev spots over and over and over day after day after day running it twice and watching the other guy scoop my chips every time

You should thank god you were playing shortstacks... you would have gone broke a long time ago otherwise ^^

the spots wouldnt be "profitable" had i not been shortstacking so things would have played out differently

25% of your stack as overlay should be more than good enough for almost any4, if it is guaranteed HU. leave trips quads and the worst hands out and it should show a good profit.

Not gonna happen in reality though. Not for any length of time to start making strategies around it.

huh?

25% of your stack means your getting 1.25 to 1 on your money...... if guaranteed to be called you are likely against a good hand where you are gonna have like 40% equity....

your gonna get crushed with 1.25 to 1

you should have 40%+ against a 30% ish range HU with almost any4
Do you actually play PLO?

funny i was actually going to ask you if you played PLO or could do math? i play live PLO basically every day

im not sure where u get a 30%ish range, i never said that the villain would have that, if i think they are going to re-pot 100% of the time then they are either going to have AAxx or a really good double suited run down

you do realize that if you are 40% to win and getting 1.25 to 1 on your money thats a losing play right? 1.5 to 1 is the break even point at 40%

and any 4 arent 40%.......

I'll try once more, purely because I might have been rude with that remark.

30% is a reasonable range to give the pfr.
Give him 25% Pick something.

My numbers are simply ballpark figures, with a high degree of accuracy

With an almost 80% range of your own you get close to 45% against this smart pfr who will iso it up for you.

With any4 you're close to 42-43% against 25-30%

It really doesn't matter much. Its hard to get under 40% in any case.

In this unrealistic hypothetical scenario,

25% of your stack overlay is where I can draw the line with some hand selection. 50% overlay is easy with almost any4. Getting 2-1 is a luxury you can ill afford to pass up.

That's all that was said.

good luck!

ok but again i didnt say this guy is raising 1 out of 3 hands or 1 out of 4

in some scenarios here he is only raising AAxx,

and its not gonna affect me cuz ive run the math 1,000 times but some lurkers here might read get it in with any 4 (meaning K 9 5 2r) when getting 1.25 to 1 on your money and they are gonna get crushed..... ok i guess people other than me getting crushed isnt such a bad thing but still


im using good selection with the 50-75% of my stack overlay and still gettin rocked sigh

K952r is such a nut hand in this spot imo

Try to get something too 1. ship it. profit
ezy game.

if you have done the math then you know what hands to get it in with. no need to ask the question.

seems as though your play is fine. loosng 13 out of 15 is a pretty horrible run even if u werent looking at your cards and just jamming any four at random when there was a decent amount of dead money.

two options buy in full and and give room for more post flop play thus reducing variance or continue to short stack and eventually u will start winning some of these all in pres