I think you guys just had life handed to you on a silver platter with some of these questions. Like, youre playing 10 20 25 50.. and you ask common sense questions and 50 people respond about theory and ****. lmao. christ.. and jnandez isnt good. i dont care what you say. he never beat no stakes, he just is a rich *******.

Yeah nandez isn't great. Poker used to obv be way easier.... sometimes larger games are much easier than lower games because rake/the fish want to play a certain limit so if u bumhunt can actually be easier in some significantly higher games but im guessing way less than you seem to think.

Yesterday I read the title to this thread and opened up the thread ready to give a serious response, but the content of the original thread was so full of negativity I decided to see if anyone else responded.

I moved up. I go all the way back to playing on the first online poker site Planet Poker. And I’ve played on almost every poker site since then minus the last few years of when USA players have been restricted from rest of the world play. And I don’t just go back to the first online poker site, I was playing 7 card stud in Atlantic City at the Tropicana Casino with Phil Ivey before he was 21 years old and he was using a fake ID and everyone thought his name was Jerome. My point isn’t to prove that I go back to the time of the dinosaurs. My point to OP is to say that one of the ways to move up is over time. Bodog/Bovada at PLO has nine different stakes. If I told you that I could get you from PLO $5 to PLO $2K, then most people would be like heck yeah show me. If I tell you it will take five years, then poof all of the enthusiasm is gone, the impatience sets in and most people quickly turn to F-that. Until of course 5 years goes by and they didn’t even get close to PLO $2k. And then another 5 years passes, etc.

Also as Eskaborr pointed out bum hunting for profit is real. Gus Hanson lost about 20 million dollars online. Most of the games were 6 handed, therefore there were 5 seats available at the table with him. If you bumhunted Gus Hanson and took one of those 5 available seats morning, noon and night, then you could have got on average about 1/5th of that 20 million or 4 million dollars. Brian Hastings might have actually had one of the original seating scripts. I played Full Tilt poker and you could see when the pros were online, but damn, literally seconds after Gus Hanson took a seat, there was Brian Hastings sitting to bumhunt him. Today it is common to see long wait lists and tables break once the fish leaves, but back then it was extremely cringe worthy watching Brian Hastings chase Gus Hanson from table to table. Bum hunting works and it is hilarious seeing some people post on 2+2 comments that essentially say something like, “if I have to bum hunt to become a millionaire, then I don’t want to be a millionaire.”

OP also mentioned his amazement at people posting common questions while playing higher stakes games. Well their live casino might only run higher stakes games and/or it is the best game because of the fish and/or they have a lot of disposable income and can play that high even while learning the game and/or they have a background in NLH and are learning PLO. There could be a lot of reasons. Furthermore, with regards to JNandez, I once posted in another thread about at what stakes would you cross book him to win or lose. I would bet for JNandez to win at $500 Zoom, but I would bet on him to lose playing regular tables any higher than that.

The negative tone of OP’s post speaks volumes to me. It is easier to play the blame game than to come up with a long term game plan. Is it possible to move up to high stakes? Yes.

Everything bruin said. Going from 0 to 100k usd is way easier than people make it out to be by the way if u are already a true huge winner (10bb/100+) even starting at micros...

You got that right.

That is not true.

I don't get it, are you claiming in this climate can not have a 10bb/100 winrate across all stakes?

Let’s say reasonable bankroll is 10,000bbs and your win rate is something like 5bb/100 (pretty solid for online ring), you’re looking at 200k hands to double your bankroll.

1/2, 2/4, 5/10, 10/25, 25/50

Assuming basically smooth sailing at 5bb/100 (unreasonable), you’re looking at About 900k hands to get to 25/50.

The number of hands requirement drops dramatically if you play live and/or heads up where you can get much higher bb/100. But that comes at the expense of much fewer hands/hour.

Any set backs along the way when you try to move up will set you back by over 100k hands. Granted you can sometimes run good and move up a stake faster but in practice this often means getting smacked down to where you belong.

Yup, I paced it at about 5 years on Bovada in my post above. I purposefully picked a poker site attached to a sports book because punters show up often, especially during the US football season.

Coincidentally, yesterday in the Bovada thread someone posted their graph going back to the year 2015 and it was over 700k played even with the 4 table limit.

Before rake it's definitely possible online. But rake is so high that I would be shocked if anyone was winning at that rate above the rake @ 2/5+ online outside of some niche sites that aren't openly available to the majority of the world.

Live it's definitely possible to win significantly more than 10bb/100.

You are saying you can't win 10bb+ at like 2/4 and above? Yeah that's just not true, but I also play a bunch of heads up. (Cumicon was beating regs for 20bb/100+)

Also it would not take 900k hands... just do a 20buy in rule and move down to any level u have 20buy ins for each time... as long as u move up/down it won't take you long at all if you truly do have a large winrate. Nobody uses a set 100bb winrate you have a minimum amount you keep to move down to next stake with goal of optimizing hourly/growth not risk of ruin at that one single stake.

Yeah, if you assume you need 100 buy ins, then that can be 20 5/10, 40 2/5, 40 1/2 and you only need $20,000+$20,000+$8,000=$48,000 to shot take 5/10.

But all three of those games need to run for you to do that. My casino runs 5/10 PLO, and no other PLO games. So I play 5/10 despite having little idea of how to play PLO ($100,000 bankroll, and I usually buy in for $500 at a time)

Bankroll built by playing poker since 2006