u can win millions as cash player and get your money! afaik this is just for tourney players which bought in online.

imo stats about how bots play, does not prove accounts as a bots as good as doing very simple stuff by using filters in hem, if you have 8figs db like i do now. still would like very much bigger, because it seems they nowdays do take turns or something like that who is running ev this, and who's running above ev next month or stuff like that.. so this are ~old hands, and it seems when that exiting botring(fedorzaysev, samanta81, ipushmyprius, emperor..... and others) got banned, you missed few, who are playing still even on this day.

if that does not prove enough, nothing does.

i dont know should i say here on public those nicks? imo this is proof enough?

i'm not sure are they doing that they take turns who do run above now, and who next time, but they dont do this stuff as obviously as before.

i would like some suggestions what to do next, and this db is only from plo100-200, and i wont buy myself more hands from higher stakes, because i think ive done at least my own part with this case, so i would value that if other regs can cooperate, even one filter is on public now in upper message, and you can check stuff by doing filters by your own from hem. i assume you want to play without bots in future. there's more than 20 bot accounts at plo50-2000.

just wow.
thanks again Pasta.
btw be careful with buying hands in terms of violateing TOC of Stars.
Will check out those filters on the weekend.
Can you check on those suspected accounts with the filter winning with Khi flush.
Whoever is behind this is for sure reading 2p2. So they are aware of getting caught one day. Would surprise me if they got large amount of $ on Stars so might aswell just post the accs you suspect.

those hands i bought are not on my gaming pc, havent used those while playing. hem does lag even with less than 1m hand db, so it is impossible to use 8figs db. on my pc at least.

Pastafiore, keeping the suspected names private is doing much more harm than good.

That 2nd graph is crazy

you don't need this huge sample to check from your own hem about this, on most obvious accounts. i'd appreacite that if regs do find out nicks before i post those on public. ive told some nicks to some regs, but only few of these are in graph 2. also at least one of this nicks in graph 2 are pretty suprising, he's ~well known reg, posting even here at 2+2, not sure have he posted in this thread, his lastest visit here is bit over year ago.

that graphs do prove card sharing for sure, i dont know have they played as a bot, or do they have software what tells what to do, or have some1 played with some1 else at same place looking each other cards, or anything like that.

Please keep the names private as you have the last 3(?) months, it has been extremele useful ..........

So the theory, based on the graphs above, is that some accounts are superusers?

Card sharing among other bots to affect allin ev (make +EV stackoffs due to card removal that the hud without that card info interprets as -EV). Not superuser with the site

i'll give few at first now, and 'll se what happens. those are gyazo links.

those aren't nicks ive been talking about with another regs before, nicks we have been discussing are still really likely to be bots or whatever they're.

even in plo100-200 there's at least 9 more colluding/botting accounts, and as you see, some of have changed something about colluding/card sharing, during the graph. they do hide their colluding way better nowdays.











my theory is that they share cards on flop(obv on other streets also), they can go allin with go allin with good equity, but HEM still says it is -ev, because HEM doesn't know that they do know burned cards, and obv they run above ev in that spots. but im not a geek, and i cant be 101% sure about anything here.

E. and if there was no card sharing, only luckboxx69 palys that much hands ip he could have maybe negative EV, other players don't have that wide ranges there.

Pastafiore, good work. You have caught some hell for your efforts on whether certain stat combinations prove bot activity. This net-won versus all-in-ev is very visual and alarming. No one thing or stat is enough but like the list of 20 to 30 stats often found similar in the bots, this graphic is thought provoking.

In the original Pokerstars' bot thread, the unproven monster under the bed was whether the bots were somehow hole card sharing and colluding. The above graphic start to lean things in the direction of hole card sharing. Also, commercial NLH bots are common enough to purchase, but PLO bots are a rare breed. It seems the PLO bots are a close knit group or better called a ring and with it being a ring the idea of hole card sharing makes even more sense.

Instead of lone-wolf PLO bots, it might be wolf-pack PLO bots.

Thanks pastafiore for making these graphs public.

Correct me if wrong but I believe that purpl*k* stopped playing for a long time, but came back a few month ago playing quite different then before...

np

yea, ive seen him now few times at zoom500 maybe ~6months ago. i haven't played 500 now for a while.

When I check my own graph with same stats, lines are exactly the other way around lol...

Super weird that on all graphs, one can see how something switches in the graph, its super obvious.

I am in no way doubting the possibility of hole card sharing but is it not also highly possible that their non showdown $ won is extremely high? That seems like a necessary line to be shown in those graphs

props for putting the time in, the graphs seem way to consistent for nothing shady to be happening, is there a way to see what % of the time the suspect accounts are on the same table ?

Both purplek and yso are logtime 2+2 accounts fwiw

their redlines would have to be absurd if they are sharing holecards

jesus christ this is scary

5 legit finregs:



already banned accounts:



accounts who're still playing:



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i'd really like that you legit regs send your databises for me from plo50-2000, old handhistories are even more valuable than recently played ones. there's no problem if hands are 2year or older. -i wont use your databises for taking an advantage, im using only my own databise for on my another pc, wich is for playing. -if youre legit reg, i assume you'll pm me and send your db.

LETS MAKE PLO GREAT AGAIN!

here's some more silly things. like ive said all the time, they do run below ev in some spots, on purpose.

already banned accounts:


accounts still playing:


5 legit finregs:

Do you already have a pin and thread tableau about this?

**** just got real, great work man.