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04-28-2010 , 03:24 PM

#2251

2+2=5

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,539

hey karls, it this hu mostly? so many hands

, or 6 max and hu? cany up please show your hu red line

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04-28-2010 , 03:43 PM

#2252

jsnipes28

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was just reading a bunch of the allin ev discussion and it seems that almost unilaterally everyone runs significantly under ev. i understand theres a posting bias but i dont think ive seen any long term graphs of ppl running above (or even at) EV. iggy posted one but tht was just one session. and without examing every little stretch in my hem i know over any 20k (or even 10k) hand stretch i am running 'under' ev and id be shocked if i found even a 5k hand sample that showed running above ev. i bitch to myself a lot that im always running under ev in PLO but im starting to think that it's somehow flawed. idk.

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04-28-2010 , 04:01 PM

#2253

IBETUFOLD33

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Originally Posted by jsnipes28

IDK, im 50ish BI's over AIEV this month over 80k hands, and way more then that over EV lifetime.

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04-28-2010 , 04:26 PM

#2254

Micturition Man

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Originally Posted by jsnipes28

It's selection bias. Everyone likes to whine, nobody likes to acknowledge their good fortune.

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04-28-2010 , 05:25 PM

#2255

ChuckBass

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Originally Posted by IBETUFOLD33

IDK, im 50ish BI's over AIEV this month over 80k hands, and way more then that over EV lifetime.

graphs plz

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04-28-2010 , 05:37 PM

#2256

IBETUFOLD33

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Originally Posted by ChuckBass

graphs plz

I wouldn't dare post my petty small stakes graphs in the big boy thread.

Last edited by IBETUFOLD33; 04-28-2010 at 05:43 PM. Reason: ,

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04-28-2010 , 05:58 PM

#2257

DPred123

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,079

Insane dodge

Poker Stars $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $467.85
Hero (BB): $400.00
CO: $469.40
BTN: $480.40

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with A

1 fold, BTN raises to $14, SB raises to $46, Hero raises to $152, BTN calls $138, SB calls $106

Flop: ($456.00) J

(3 players)
SB bets $315.85 all in, Hero calls $248 all in, BTN calls $315.85

Turn: ($1335.70) 8

(3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($1335.70) 2

(3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $1335.70
SB shows Q

(a pair of Deuces)
Hero shows A

(a pair of Aces)
BTN shows 7

(a pair of Kings)
BTN wins $135.70
Hero wins $1198.00
(Rake: $2.00)

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04-28-2010 , 06:14 PM

#2258

jsnipes28

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Originally Posted by Micturition Man

It's selection bias. Everyone likes to whine, nobody likes to acknowledge their good fortune.

alright, guess im gonna keep bitching (privately) about how bad i run.

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04-28-2010 , 08:08 PM

#2259

Micturition Man

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It's actually more subtle than what I said but I was being lazy.

It's not so much that people don't like to acknowledge their good fortune as that they don't even *perceive* their good fortune.

Like a lot of people will fire up a couple of tables, play for 30 mins, win one BI, and feel subjectively that this is pretty much a standard result. When in fact it's far above expectation.

I think it takes quite a big heater before people even get curious about how far above AIEV they might have run.

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04-28-2010 , 08:37 PM

#2260

antchev

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You both just d.i.a.g.f.

PS. Nothing personal

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04-29-2010 , 02:24 AM

#2261

Micturition Man

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What's the HUD program that most people use? Is it built-in to HEM or something?

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04-29-2010 , 02:43 AM

#2262

Hoopster81

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yup

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04-29-2010 , 04:26 AM

#2263

MadScientist

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Originally Posted by Micturition Man

Most people use HEM and check their All in Ev. Something seems funny.

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04-29-2010 , 06:18 AM

#2264

Mig

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Originally Posted by MadScientist

Most people use HEM and check their All in Ev. Something seems funny.

what Micturition says is pretty right imo.

When u run 100 BI over ev u just don't post it. I know I didn't... My first 500k hands of SNE, I ran ~75 bi over ev, now for the last 500k hands I'm -300 bi below ev, I did post some graph at -200 but don't even bother anymore because, who cares and it just makes you feel worst overall and tilt even more to know/see how bad u keep running.

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04-29-2010 , 07:21 AM

#2265

dickkemp

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you dont post when you run hot because it jinxs you. if you already running bad what does it matter, jinxing yourself could only be good. i for the record was running pretty hot over about 15k hands.

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04-29-2010 , 08:05 AM

#2266

m_reed05

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guys i'm 15k over ev this month!!!

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04-29-2010 , 08:23 AM

#2267

dickkemp

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Originally Posted by Micturition Man

...I think it takes quite a big heater before people even get curious about how far above AIEV they might have run.

these players are not the ones you want to stop playing so this is perfect. they run hot they are genius's, they run bad they are the most unlucky genius in the world where in fact they might not even be winning players.

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04-29-2010 , 08:44 AM

#2268

fullcontact

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40k over ev this month

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04-29-2010 , 09:50 AM

#2269

dickkemp

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Originally Posted by m_reed05

guys i'm 15k over ev this month!!!

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Originally Posted by fullcontact

40k over ev this month

gg guys, you just dug your own hole LOL

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04-29-2010 , 12:02 PM

#2270

kazor

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Its -EV to post +EV graphs. Everyone knows that.

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04-29-2010 , 12:06 PM

#2271

GIEFDORRARS

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