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01-26-2015 , 07:50 AM

#20851

thin fold

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yeah "lol live pros" statement is pretty much void considering some of them make much more more per year than top 10 winners online combined

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01-26-2015 , 07:59 AM

#20852

antchev

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Yeah. I think there are a ton of rb grinders/small stakes live "pros" who are in no way crushing anything or making huge money, but that's their sole source of income. I'd comfortably take the over on 2500 ppl.

This.

I can attest for at least 300 longtime pros just from Bulgaria. $1K/month is a pretty decent income for a 20yo around here.

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01-26-2015 , 09:07 AM

#20853

insyder19

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Originally Posted by antchev

This.

I can attest for at least 300 longtime pros just from Bulgaria. $1K/month is a pretty decent income for a 20yo around here.

Do they grind full time or study something for the main part?

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01-26-2015 , 09:24 AM

#20854

Alienatu

adept

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 906

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Originally Posted by insyder19

Do they grind full time or study something for the main part?

probably both.

eastern europe is very poor. in romania average salary is ~3-400$ a month.
if you make 5-600$+ you can live comfortably in any part of the country.

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01-26-2015 , 10:05 AM

#20855

wazz

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300 in bulgaria!

OK, fair enough, I'll revise my estimations up to 5k.

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01-26-2015 , 02:24 PM

#20856

aoFrantic

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I'd probably take the under on 2500 of people who make enough to support a middle class lifestyle in say, the USA but I just think there are way too many people happy to be making ~$25k in some part of the world who qualify as pros.

I think most of the disconnect is attributing being a "pro poker player" with the guy in Bulgaria apparently grinding out $16k a year or whatever.

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01-26-2015 , 03:13 PM

#20857

SeaKing

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,468

442 SNEs + "300" players actchev knows of in Bulgaria - some double counting = ~740 players

740 / 5000 = = ~15% of all professional poker players in 2014 either made SNE or are from Bulgaria?

Spoiler:

The number of actual poker professionals is almost certainly closer to 50K than it is to 5K, even saying that close to 1% of professional poker players in 2014 made SNE seems like a stretch.

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01-26-2015 , 03:30 PM

#20858

Kirbynator

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i was thinking about 50 000 that consider themselves pros (maybe less lately...), and the real number of actual "pros" being ~20k

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01-26-2015 , 03:49 PM

#20859

Tiltkorv

journeyman

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 301

Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #34452011

BTN: $2,545.02 (509 bb)
SB: $515.70 (103.1 bb)
Hero (BB): $627.88 (125.6 bb)
UTG: $1,169.19 (233.8 bb)
MP: $774.95 (155 bb)
CO: $380.23 (76 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

UTG raises to $17.50, MP calls $17.50, CO folds, BTN calls $17.50, SB folds, Hero calls $12.50

Flop: ($72.50) 6

(4 players)
Hero bets $47.40, UTG folds, MP raises to $211.90, BTN folds, Hero raises to $610.38 and is all-in, MP calls $398.48

Turn: ($1,293.26) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($1,293.26) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

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01-26-2015 , 04:30 PM

#20860

Clayton

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiltkorv

UTG raises to $17.50, MP calls $17.50, CO folds, BTN calls $17.50, SB folds, Hero calls $12.50

Flop: ($72.50) 6

(4 players)
Hero bets $47.40, UTG folds, MP raises to $211.90, BTN folds, Hero raises to $610.38 and is all-in, MP calls $398.48

Turn: ($1,293.26) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($1,293.26) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

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01-26-2015 , 05:52 PM

#20861

Loctus

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They ran it twice and tiltkorv binked the last 7 on the second run btw.

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01-26-2015 , 07:01 PM

#20862

Tiltkorv

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yeah I binked the seven sorry I thought handhistory showed both runs? Could have posted boom but people seem to go world war 3 on me when I do

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01-26-2015 , 08:47 PM

#20863

alexo18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiltkorv

yeah I binked the seven sorry I thought handhistory showed both runs? Could have posted boom but people seem to go world war 3 on me when I do

Lol

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01-26-2015 , 11:07 PM

#20864

wazz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaKing

442 SNEs + "300" players actchev knows of in Bulgaria - some double counting = ~740 players

740 / 5000 = = ~15% of all professional poker players in 2014 either made SNE or are from Bulgaria?

Spoiler:

The number of actual poker professionals is almost certainly closer to 50K than it is to 5K, even saying that close to 1% of professional poker players in 2014 made SNE seems like a stretch.

Off your rocker

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01-26-2015 , 11:47 PM

#20865

ChuckBass

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Doesn't seem such a stretch

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01-27-2015 , 06:37 AM

#20866

wazz

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No, sure, of course, 30k+ people expecting to make enoughof a profit from poker to live seems totally reasonable in the context of all those incredibly juicy games you can find on every street corner and how little attention everyone else has paid to improving their games, and how much money unlimited fish are willing to throw away and never quit. Right. Game has never been hralthier.

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01-27-2015 , 06:55 AM

#20867

ChicagoJoey

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFooFighter

wasted also like 4 minutes of my life watching it. Such an arrogant idiot douche.
Joey, maybe it is a good idea to talk to the guys you are planning to have on upfront a bit and see if they are suitable and worth the time.

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Originally Posted by JoKon

And if not just say to them : sorry mate you suck not suitable for podcast.

If i can think of a nice way to say sorry I changed my mind then I might start doing this

I only had sticky on because so many people asked for it, I figured it would be different than most pods

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Originally Posted by lvanhoe

My random guess would be somewhere between 5k and 10k professional pokerplayers in the world, closer to 5k than 10k. Don't forget there are a lot of people from third world countries that are 'pro' which earns them enough to be ballers in their own countries.

Then there's also livepro's.

I've always wondered how many people are "pro" poker players or what even is considered a pro. When I was playing NL25 back in the day making 800-1200 a month I considered myself a pro

I imagine there are a lot of people playing micro/small stakes cash games and SNG/MTTs that would qualify. Anyone that plays live 1/2 4+ days a week probably considers themselves a pro. Many pros over here at the horseshoe

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01-27-2015 , 07:00 AM

#20868

ChicagoJoey

Papi

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,590

I'm going to start putting hands from HS thread in here so we can see more HHs

Poker Stars, $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #34226561

w00ki3z. (SB): $21,385 (213.9 bb)
bcvernon (BB): $10,766.85 (107.7 bb)

Preflop:
w00ki3z. raises to $300, bcvernon raises to $900, w00ki3z. calls $600

Flop: ($1,800) 5

(2 players)
bcvernon checks, w00ki3z. checks

Turn: ($1,800) 9

(2 players)
bcvernon bets $1,798, w00ki3z. calls $1,798

River: ($5,396) 4

(2 players)
bcvernon bets $5,394, w00ki3z. calls $5,394

Spoiler:

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Classic case of call/pray/be "right" but chop

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01-27-2015 , 08:19 AM

#20869

Adiprene1

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every time i make calls like that they just show 9967 and i feel like an idiot

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01-27-2015 , 09:33 AM

#20870

ChicagoJoey

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiltkorv

UTG raises to $17.50, MP calls $17.50, CO folds, BTN calls $17.50, SB folds, Hero calls $12.50

Flop: ($72.50) 6

(4 players)
Hero bets $47.40, UTG folds, MP raises to $211.90, BTN folds, Hero raises to $610.38 and is all-in, MP calls $398.48

MP showed Q

Turn: ($1,293.26) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($1,293.26) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiltkorv

yeah I binked the seven sorry I thought handhistory showed both runs

Spoiler:

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01-27-2015 , 09:41 AM

#20871

GoGetaRealJob

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,072

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adiprene1

every time i make calls like that they just show 9967 and i feel like an idiot

Hahaha, so much this

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01-27-2015 , 11:13 AM

#20872

MauriceSch

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,660

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adiprene1

every time i make calls like that they just show 66xx/77xx and i feel like a complete and utter idiot

FYP

Last edited by MauriceSch; 01-27-2015 at 11:19 AM.

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01-27-2015 , 01:59 PM

#20873

AlexKP

adept

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 832

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey

When I was playing NL25 back in the day making 800-1200 a month I considered myself a pro

So u actually did beat the games back in the days?? Should have stayed at NL25 bro

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01-27-2015 , 03:31 PM

#20874

MauriceSch

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,660

Oh boy

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01-27-2015 , 03:32 PM

#20875

alexo18

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