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01-03-2015 , 09:13 PM

#20676

Two SHAE

Decentralized Financier

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2,242

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Originally Posted by mumpfmampf

Altergott may or may not be highly intelligent, but he certainly doesn´t come off as a smart person. We´re talking about a guy who sold Super High Roller packages on this site and didn´t even respond to questions regarding rebuys/final results until 6 weeks after the event (which by some chance happened to be the same day that he opened a new thread, trying to sell shares to a different tournament lol).

As for Jachtmann no beating PLO100, 1) he probably could beat PLO100 if we´re talking good games and few tables 2) who cares if you can play EUR100/200 with position on Leon instead?

The funniest thing about that thread is, he claimed to have calculated his ROI based on his winrates at various blind levels, and simultaneously claimed he did not have records for how many SHRs/bullets he has played lifetime. smh

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01-04-2015 , 01:56 AM

#20677

Petey 5thStreet

adept

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,087

Those videos are awesome. My man Leon. The guy has some serious heart and commitment to the game. Ha, so fun to watch. Wish I could understand what they're saying

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01-04-2015 , 02:10 PM

#20678

wazz

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Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 15,659

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Originally Posted by jij452

Sorry to disagree, but....

1) The fact you think you'd be able to exploit the situation doesn't make it ethical or fair in general.

2) You say edges produced by non-colluding buddies sharing BR would be "marginal", but that doesn't make it right either ;
Any edge produced, as tiny as it would be, is gained unfairly, and this IS cheating.

... Not to mention this mostly happens at nosebleed and marginal edges at such stakes means considerable amounts of money.

There's no logical argument that could prove secret BR sharing to be ethical/fair, and again, a basic understanding of the game is sufficient to understand that ;

The only reason it's said to be OK, is that HS players do it all the time, to their benefit, and therefore consider it OK.

You're not wrong, but this is more right:

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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol

Hard to draw a line. say hero is lucky to make a final table in a tournament..
3 handed hero and player 2 swapped 1percent before the tourney for fun sweats, close to 0% of ppl would expect them to announce this to player 3. As 1percent goes up more people will start to think they should announce it, extreme example being if hero bought 80% of player 2, most people (I think?) would consider it ethical to inform player 3 "yo I have 80% of this guys action)

Although if 100% no soft play or collusion of any type, being good to announce doesn't mean not announcing isn't necessarily "unethical". But as pointed out extremely tough for people to believe there is no effect even if subconscious.

I'm not trying to argue for bankroll sharing to be ok - like I said, I've never done it and would never do it (in the same game, anyway) - what I'm arguing is that it's far less of a sin than pointing out that a guy has misread his hand, which I think is heinous, have never done, and have had done to me a fair few times in big pots. I'm sure people have shared rolls against me before, and yes, it's bad, but it's really not that bad at all unless it's done with the specific intention of f***ing me over by explicit collusion, which doesn't happen all that often.

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01-04-2015 , 02:41 PM

#20679

wazz

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Moreover, this is about picking your battles. The best weapon we have against bankroll-sharing is to spread the word that it's not ok, and realistically, that is going to have f***-all of an effect - those who want to cheat will continue to do so. However, it's fairly easy to call someone out for reading other peoples' hands. So I do that.

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01-04-2015 , 08:08 PM

#20680

Zima421

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i play in a game at a local casino with the same group of around 20 guys and when people fold its unbelievably standard to sweat the guys hand next to you. it probably happens once every other hand all night. The atmosphere is so relaxed pretty much anything goes.

I have never once seen someone say "hey man, you have a flush, what are you doing". as long as everyone isnt an idiot, stuff like sweating each others hands seems fine. just got to be aware enough to not cross the line.

live poker is weird sometimes. and some concessions are made for certain types of games.

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01-04-2015 , 09:30 PM

#20681

BigAisaOK

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,466

Hahaha this conversation reminds me of when I gave KrMont a hard time for being a racist (I was joking obviously) because he accused my two Asian mates of colluding. (Accused a little strong but hard to explain)

Like zima says, in a relaxed live atmosphere a bunch of stuff happens, usually all light hearted and not out of line at all

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01-04-2015 , 11:52 PM

#20682

WhateverSon

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,302

which country is harrington from?

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01-04-2015 , 11:58 PM

#20683

MastaAces

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Originally Posted by WhateverSon

which country is harrington from?

Spoiler:

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01-05-2015 , 01:36 PM

#20684

ChicagoJoey

Papi

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnFiieLd.

Game over- 200k pot

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $200/$400 ($80 ante) - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Odd_Oddsen (BU): $105696.87 (264 bb)
EireAbu (BB): $179381.37 (448 bb)

Pre Flop: ($760)
Odd_Oddsen (BU) raises to $1360, EireAbu (BB) 3-bets to $4240, Odd_Oddsen (BU) 4-bets to $12880, EireAbu (BB) calls $8640

Flop: ($25920) 8

(2 players)
EireAbu (BB) bets $25918, Odd_Oddsen (BU) calls $25918

Turn: ($77756) Q

(2 players)
EireAbu (BB) bets $77754, Odd_Oddsen (BU) calls $66818.87 (all-in)

First River: ($211393.74) A

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($211393.74) 3

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $211393.74 (Rake: $2)

First Showdown: Board: 8

EireAbu (BB) shows 8

(a straight, Eight to Queen)
(Equity - pre: 41%, flop: 59%, turn: 100%, river: 100%)

Odd_Oddsen (BU) shows 3

(three of a kind, Aces)
(Equity - pre: 59%, flop: 41%, turn: 0%, river: 0%)

EireAbu (BB) wins $105695.87

Second Showdown: Board: 8

EireAbu (BB) shows 8

(a straight, Eight to Queen)
(Equity - pre: 41%, flop: 59%, turn: 100%, river: 100%)

Odd_Oddsen (BU) shows 3

(three of a kind, Threes)
(Equity - pre: 59%, flop: 41%, turn: 0%, river: 0%)

EireAbu (BB) wins $105695.87

Oddsen and Eire did a bit of battling at 200/400, this was the final hand

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01-05-2015 , 01:45 PM

#20685

alexo18

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,409

That turn gii

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01-05-2015 , 06:25 PM

#20686

krmont22

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 8,078

is oddsen hacked? Q is pretty awful card...not as bad as the 7 but just wow!

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01-05-2015 , 06:46 PM

#20687

guimz

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,285

Hard to believe it is real money. such a spew

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01-05-2015 , 07:58 PM

#20688

Benni19

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 1,443

Why is the 7 a even worser hand?

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01-05-2015 , 08:00 PM

#20689

gamboneee

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card*

cause xx56 i think?

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01-05-2015 , 08:02 PM

#20690

SWAGucci

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benni19

Why is the 7 a even worser hand?

3pair combos and more str8s that are harder to counterfit then a hand like JTQx etc.

both cards are awful though.

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01-05-2015 , 08:10 PM

#20691

Kirbynator

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*nvm just realized its eire that potted flop

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01-05-2015 , 08:49 PM

#20692

alexo18

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,409

Wow also misread hand ! Thought it was potted twice by odds.

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01-05-2015 , 09:18 PM

#20693

guimz

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,285

I think this hand requires a comment on video by jedimaster.

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01-05-2015 , 09:40 PM

#20694

napsus

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Poker Player Snapshot – Saku “Pastafiore” Näsman

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01-05-2015 , 09:51 PM

#20695

danfiu

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 758

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Originally Posted by guimz

I think this hand requires a comment on video by jedimaster.

pls make it happen

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01-05-2015 , 10:06 PM

#20696

alexo18

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,409

Quote:

Originally Posted by napsus

Poker Player Snapshot – Saku “Pastafiore” Näsman

Idk him personally, but that interview is pretty much what i expected except for the profile pic.

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01-05-2015 , 10:33 PM

#20697

TrollAccount

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 387

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6. Why are you not playing mid/high stakes already? If you are, what are the 3 most important things that got you there?

my brain doesnt switch ****** mode on if there’s more than 100bb in pot, good in math, and i ~never tilt

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7. A genie gives you 80% to win a $5k flip and will double or nothing forever. You can quit whenever you want but once the genie wins a filp it’s all over – when do u stop if you can’t sell action?

i dont know, maybe at 100k

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01-06-2015 , 12:33 AM

#20698

WhateverSon

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,302

seems like the easiest flop shove of all time

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01-06-2015 , 01:40 AM

#20699

MorePower

newbie

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhateverSon

seems like the easiest flop shove of all time

waiting for a save turn

oh wait

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01-06-2015 , 04:46 AM

#20700

twalf

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 738

The biggest issue with the German Tv hand is max pointing out to Phil that he has the nuts. Obv sweating happens all the time in live games but a sweater pointing out a sweatees misread is considered way out of line in any live setting.