Lol, you can unscribe me there, haven't tweeted in about a year.

I remember that hand as not THAT sick. I don't have that hand anymore, but the way i remembere it i thought i was showing a lot of strenght in that hand and i thought you wouldn't be calling me often with a lower flush anyways.

Glad i made a multitabling reg quit though, i personally made midstakes plo a lot softer :P

i would think you would have at least b/f in that spot, i dont think the hand is that uncommon from thousands of spots we have probablyl been in before, cbet, x/c turn when flush gets there, then you check back nf in a spot i've hero'd vs you 100s of times. you have made millions for a reason i guess

maybe you did that for midstakes but surely the high stakes regs i would tilt off too from time to time aren't that happy

hehe, probably just a bad play by me inspired by some intuition/tell that turned out right that time.

I just thought of something; Since you claim that hand made you leave PS, did you feel cheated by me?

whats my timing tell ;(

I think playing high stakes poker on the internet taught me to always keep your guard up and don't be naive . When thousands/millions of dollars are up for grabs people will do just about anything. Whether its playing against the 15different people on the vietrussi/barcode accounts or friends playing together often potentially colluding or people actually cheating with something you never thought existed, just beware. Not all people that cheat are going to be really dumb about it like situations in the past. If you want to ask me about you personally, someone that has been winning a large amount of money for along time i think there is reason to be suspicious, i think its always good to be in similar situations (im sure many people that are busto now wish they were years ago). I think most remember the random time you played 200/400 again on stars for a short period of time and made like 500k then randomly went back down to 2/4 the next week. Dropping down to 1/2 and posting about a downswing during a really slow time in hsplo world would be smart also. This is pretty fishy logic, some people are just really really good at poker and win over a large period of time fair and square and i'm not really accusing any of this being true but since you asked

I agree with the part about keep your guard up. The rest is a pretty harsh and I'm not sure i should defend myself...

I did win close to 500k in a day, but i also lost 350 back the following week, which made me drop back down. I've also had many earlier shots at those stakes at PS and played >100k pots even pre black friday on FTP. The biggest hand i won that day i won a 4 way pre allin with a small rundown and the rest i won vs that 5vgybhu6 kind of guy and played a lot hu those days vs different players.

That downswing i posted was real and the reason I dropped down. The claim i made about not winning a dime in 1,5 year of poker (esp if you consider tax) is also true and the reason i've dropped down further. I've redeposited large amounts and was fed up with that. Also have most of my money locked up in other things, so i've decided to grind lower.

There are few people that played more plo hands than me over te last 4 years and i did so in all different game types and vs all regs and multi-tabled those. I personally think i should be pretty low on your list of suspected people.

ChicagoJoey, do you think some of the same people play on both barcode and vietrussian? Do you know anyone of the players sharing these accounts?

joeri
I'm guessing you had the second nut flush, otherwise I don't get what the fuzz is about.
I for one am not surprised by Joey's accusations. He's pretty erratic.

haven't thought about that before but I don't consider their ethics to be very high so I would believe anything

Like I said I wasn't accusing you of anything but the idea of cheating in pertaining to online poker is something I've thought about often. I've had regs lie to my face when it came to multiaccounting that I have played against and I don't really expect anyone to admit to anything like that and say whatever they can to make you think otherwise. This might be a bad way to approach it but its the mindset i've adopted. If i was to make a list I agree you wouldn't be high on it although for awhile I might have thought different, but things like that are common when it comes to poker and someone always has the best of you. I don't really want to talk much more about it but I would expect someone smart to adapt there ways and blend in pretty well

I've seen the HH before, pretty sure joeri had the nut flush and joey had the straight flush. Joey checked and joeri checked back too. Was pretty sick.

Ya, what I was thinking. I guess I'll never understand why people refer to the second nuts as the nuts.

I've tried to google the hand, but i can't find it. It should be in this topic somewhere. But jeah i remember i had the nutflush and i checked behind. Like I said earlier it was just a bad play that turned out right. I think it wasn't at high stakes or something, 3-6 or 5-10? Only way i could potentially be cheating in that hand if i see your cards. In my database i have almost 10k hands on you, you've ran bad in that sample but had an EV of 5.65bb/100. I suppose it's quite unlikely that i whas seeing your cards somehow. If i where cheating i would probably not choose a random 3-6 / 5-10 hand to do it, neither would i do it in a suspicious spot like that. I also never had any contact with you which allowed me to send you spywhere or met you. I've played probably like 4-5 milion poker hands and don't think there ever was a accusation of anything like this before...

A pretty random post by you if you ask me. But whatever, like you say it wasn't an accusation, so I should probably not go into it much at all.

Yea it wasn't, i've only randomly mentioned it a few times when i get tilted and remember that was the only time i could have maybe stacked you for a full stack, you always played mid stack. You specifically asked me did I feel you cheated me, so I answered, if you didn't want to hear me maybe say yes you probably shouldn't have asked. But to counter your point, even smart cheaters make mistakes sometimes and I don't think the fact that it was at 3/6 or 5/10 matters at all

jeah, but that hand can't be a cheated hand other than me seeing your cards, so i guess it's not even a hint. But ok lets forget it. I've asked because it just hit me after the 10'th time reading that hand made you quit pokerstars, that you might actually felt cheated.

LOL? fire extinguisher doesnt kill people and criminals won't be using fire extinguisher to threaten/rob/kill people

this and above post belongs in LC thread

Joeri, we all read it before, just today you took the bait.
Yes you should not have asked and for sure not justified yourself.
I doubt very much that is why he quit stars too fwiw.
I think you come across as a stand up guy and perhaps Joey says too much at times that is not all meant seriously.

haha, reminded me of this hand at lol40bb



BTN: $563.20 (140.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $180.70 (45.2 bb)
BB: $194.90 (48.7 bb)
UTG: $146 (36.5 bb)
MP: $160 (40 bb)
CO: $77.50 (19.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 9 J 5
3 folds, BTN raises to $12, Hero folds, BB calls $8

Flop: ($26) 8 K 3 (2 players)
BB checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($26) A (2 players)
BB checks, BTN bets $18, BB calls $18

River: ($62) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, BTN bets $48, BB calls $48

Results: $158 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 8 K 3 A 6
BTN showed 3 A A 4 and won $155 ($77 net)
BB mucked K K 6 A and lost (-$78 net)

his sn is 5tgb6yhn7

(look at keyboard)

SIKKK

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just gotta get back to even on the month now

nvm

lol, obv the money was going in regardless, just feels sick after paule taking that line

not actually that bad of a beat, but I thought it was a funny hand to lose both



PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 ($10 ante) - 4 players
Rail Hand History Converter

krmont22 (UTG): $3105.21 (62 bb)
The Liar (BU): $4943 (99 bb)
Ravenswood13 (SB): $8791.79 (176 bb)
HC_68 (BB): $7917.50 (158 bb)

Pre Flop: ($115)
krmont22 (UTG) raises to $150, The Liar (BU) calls $150, 1 fold, HC_68 (BB) calls $100

Flop: ($515) 3 A 8 (3 players)
HC_68 (BB) checks, krmont22 (UTG) bets $250, The Liar (BU) calls $250, HC_68 (BB) calls $250

Turn: ($1265) T (3 players)
HC_68 (BB) checks, krmont22 (UTG) bets $700, The Liar (BU) raises to $3363, HC_68 (BB) 3-bets to $6026, krmont22 (UTG) calls $1995.21 (all-in), The Liar (BU) calls $1170 (all-in)

First River: ($13026.21) T (3 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($13026.21) 9 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $13026.21 (Rake: $2)

First Showdown: Board: 3 A 8 T T

HC_68 (BB) shows 8 J Q K (two pair, Tens and Eights)
(Equity - pre: 21%, flop: 4%, turn: 33%, river: 0%)

The Liar (BU) shows 2 8 T T (four of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - pre: 29%, flop: 6%, turn: 3%, river: 100%)

krmont22 (UTG) shows 5 6 A A (a full house, Aces full of Tens)
(Equity - pre: 50%, flop: 91%, turn: 64%, river: 0%)

The Liar (BU) wins $6512.11

Second Showdown: Board: 3 A 8 T 9

HC_68 (BB) shows 8 J Q K (a straight, Eight to Queen)
(Equity - pre: 21%, flop: 4%, turn: 33%, river: 100%)

The Liar (BU) shows 2 8 T T (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - pre: 29%, flop: 6%, turn: 3%, river: 0%)

krmont22 (UTG) shows 5 6 A A (three of a kind, Aces)
(Equity - pre: 50%, flop: 91%, turn: 64%, river: 0%)

HC_68 (BB) wins $6512.10