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05-26-2011 , 12:17 PM

#8776

Jabonator

nice piano there

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 13,379

Umm, the cards don't matter as it's pf-allin regardless of cards, so EV is +-0 (excluding rake).

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05-26-2011 , 01:43 PM

#8777

OMGKaraScott

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 391

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Originally Posted by Jabonator

Umm, the cards don't matter as it's pf-allin regardless of cards, so EV is +-0 (excluding rake).

Unless you are really good at flipping, like urubu is, and you can determine the cards clicking that call/raise button at the right time. Black magic i say ya!

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05-26-2011 , 01:58 PM

#8778

acehole60

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,575

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Originally Posted by Jabonator

Umm, the cards don't matter as it's pf-allin regardless of cards, so EV is +-0 (excluding rake).

The flip itself is neutral EV (before the cards are dealt and minus rake), but HEM only sees after the cards are turned over and then one of them will (most of the time) be a favourite. You can argue that this doesn't matter, but it will still show up in the stats.

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05-26-2011 , 02:32 PM

#8779

Petey 5thStreet

adept

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,087

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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja

^ why do u care

uhhh

I posted "LOL" and you translated that to me caring?

uhhh

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05-26-2011 , 03:44 PM

#8780

stinkypete

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,785

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Originally Posted by OMGKaraScott

Unless you are really good at flipping, like urubu is, and you can determine the cards clicking that call/raise button at the right time. Black magic i say ya!

this is really only partly true... the best flippers like urubu can time their clicks to optimize the entire board, not just the preflop cards. this won't be fully reflected in the preflop all-in EV. it's actually optimal to get it in bad preflop when you know you're going to suck out since it maximizes tilt EV, so the best flippers will actually appear to be losing flippers according to all in EV.

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05-26-2011 , 03:56 PM

#8781

jakhamma

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,521

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Originally Posted by urubu111

because i think its stupid discuss about $500 when you are fliping 20k, but i feel abused when people ask so much, people think i am a clown when they ask more thna 2% and thats not right.

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05-26-2011 , 05:26 PM

#8782

Zacharrrr

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 7,866

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05-26-2011 , 08:41 PM

#8783

urubu111

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,778

imo

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05-26-2011 , 08:55 PM

#8784

Doorbread

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9,970

raise

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05-26-2011 , 11:40 PM

#8785

kutty

banned

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,482

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Originally Posted by Doorbread

raise

this is kinda ****ed up man

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05-27-2011 , 12:21 AM

#8786

urubu111

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,778

wtf this idiot

shif is a reg playing hu at 9handed tabled w a fish, i sit in to play 3hnaded, but shif says its hu. ok i was going sit out.. .then fish says

XXXXXX: No heads up stay
ShiFtYFiNGeR: why join thetable then?
XXXXX: this is not a heads up table?
ShiFtYFiNGeR: yer but im obviously sitting on my own hoping for hu play
ShiFtYFiNGeR: just keep that in mind if u see me sitting on my own thought next time

lol

just cuz he wanted play hu w fish.. its so ******wed. does he post here?

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05-27-2011 , 12:25 AM

#8787

crashwhips

self-banned

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,940

Agreed that's a very sleazy move.

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05-27-2011 , 12:56 AM

#8788

ShipitFMA

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,122

I'm surprised that many people respect the wishes of regs asking for HU play vs a fish when they're playing a 6 or 9 max tables.....Almost 100% of the time in my experience it's just the reg trying to douche you

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05-27-2011 , 12:58 AM

#8789

Hoopster81

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 7,277

shif: it's hu

you: lol

ez game

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05-27-2011 , 03:32 AM

#8790

Ghostbiker

adept

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 698

i guess he was drunk

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05-27-2011 , 03:41 AM

#8791

marwan24

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 378

Ya, if fish wants HU too, just sitout but if one guy doesn't want HU, I pretty much am always joining. **** him, bumhunt at an HU table if he wants to keep it HU...or get the fish to switch to HU tables.

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05-27-2011 , 08:07 AM

#8792

Zacharrrr

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 7,866

biggest pot ive ever played
*sadface*

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $50(BB) Replayer
Hero ($13,908)
($18,515)

Dealt to Hero A

raises to $150, Hero calls $100

FLOP ($300) 4

Hero checks, bets $299, Hero calls $299

TURN ($899) 4

Hero checks, bets $898, Hero raises to $3,594, raises to $11,680, Hero raises to $13,459 (AI), calls $1,778

RIVER ($27,817) 4

8 5 5

shows 8 6

5 7

(Pre 35%, Flop 59.5%, Turn 46.3%)

Hero shows A

7 6 Q

(Pre 65%, Flop 40.5%, Turn 53.8%)

Idiot wins $27,816

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05-27-2011 , 08:33 AM

#8793

jayjaypg22

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 166

Zacharrrr, why do you think vilain is idiot? I mean he has lots of redraws I think I would have played it the same way HU and 6m. I don't play that high so if there is a mistake in his play I would be glad to know.

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05-27-2011 , 08:36 AM

#8794

MauriceSch

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,660

Zacharrr probably has his reasons. You have to differentiate between a hand and the image/style of a player. Just because he did play a hand correctly doesn't mean he is not an idiot.

As for the hand: ul mate, you'll win the next one

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05-27-2011 , 08:47 AM

#8795

jayjaypg22

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 166

Well I think it's bc he lost his biggest pot, I would be as well to me both players played it correctly nvm, F*** plo variance. But if there is a treshold on redraws to stack off with the nuts on 280bb pot and vilain/idiot didn't get I would do the same mistake. If vilain had 9s6sJc7d Zacharrr would have been a underdog as well.

Am I missing sthg? Is there a treshold in redraws to stack off turn with nut straight and redraws, that was precisely my question. I would do stack off here with nut straight and fd or nut straight + higher wrap like J9.

Last edited by jayjaypg22; 05-27-2011 at 08:56 AM.