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10-13-2010 , 01:05 AM
wow
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10-13-2010 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Zam
atleast you didnt run bad :P
true... besides... that aint workin, that's the way u do it



money for nothing never mind ev

Sincerely,
Rakeback Pro
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10-13-2010 , 01:13 AM
98% of the hands and 75% of the losses are at 25/50, rest 50/100
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10-13-2010 , 01:26 AM
that's insanely hideous. shallow?
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10-13-2010 , 04:34 AM
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this month so far

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10-13-2010 , 10:18 AM
yea shallow, that's only full tilt. also 10k below EV on stars on the month.
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10-13-2010 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BKiCe
yea shallow, that's only full tilt. also 10k below EV on stars on the month.
Im on a similar downswing...pretty depressed tbh.
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10-13-2010 , 11:17 AM
That is just heinous BkiCe. However, ChicagoJoeys gif is pretty apropros (sp?).
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10-13-2010 , 12:53 PM
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i lol'd.
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10-13-2010 , 03:25 PM
for suck out genius, and everyone else who likes funny stuff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpue5lHjEQ0 - funny animated tiger woods apology
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10-13-2010 , 03:50 PM
lol at people complaining about running below ev on the short bus tables if you want less variance man up and play real poker
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10-13-2010 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jhenderson723
lol at people complaining about running below ev on the short bus tables if you want less variance man up and play real poker
how much do you want to bet on this?

you can choose the stakes, up to 10/20. i'll bet that my EV adjusted winrate to standard deviation ratio will be higher than yours over whatever number of hands you want to bet on. i play 20-50bb tables, you play 40bb+ tables.

if you're not interested in the wager then please stop talking out of your ass.

EDIT: if you choose 3/6 or below the bet will be on pre-rake winrates so you cant be ******ed and angle this
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10-13-2010 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
how much do you want to bet on this?

you can choose the stakes, up to 10/20. i'll bet that my EV adjusted winrate to standard deviation ratio will be higher than yours over whatever number of hands you want to bet on. i play 20-50bb tables, you play 40bb+ tables.

if you're not interested in the wager then please stop talking out of your ass.

EDIT: if you choose 3/6 or below the bet will be on pre-rake winrates so you cant be ******ed and angle this
im not going to bet on this, but im not convinced your right on this one stinkypete. I think the variance/winrate ratio in both shallow and 100bb PLO is about the same.
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10-13-2010 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyhat1000
for suck out genius, and everyone else who likes funny stuff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpue5lHjEQ0 - funny animated tiger woods apology
i'm tiger woods bitches. SUCK IT.
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10-13-2010 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
how much do you want to bet on this?

you can choose the stakes, up to 10/20. i'll bet that my EV adjusted winrate to standard deviation ratio will be higher than yours over whatever number of hands you want to bet on. i play 20-50bb tables, you play 40bb+ tables.

if you're not interested in the wager then please stop talking out of your ass.

EDIT: if you choose 3/6 or below the bet will be on pre-rake winrates so you cant be ******ed and angle this
um ok, im confused. so we are saying that:

your EV winrate variance is less than someone elses EV winrate variance in bbs?

you play with 1/5th the stack. put it in buy ins other wise it is apples to watermelons. you mindswell be saying that you could eat more apples in a sitting than watermelons.

or you can compare SSing 5-10 to fullstacking 1-2 and compare winrates and standard deviations based on $/100h rather than bbs. i would bet that 1-2 has less variance with higher winrates.

and last time i checked you cant spend EV$ so put it in actual winrates.

make these minor adjustments and that would make the comparison oranges to grapefruit (which is still closer than apples to watermelons). then i will believe whatever you show me and consider you amazing.
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10-13-2010 , 06:57 PM
obviously we're comparing actual variance, not variance of your EV line. the purpose of using the EV as a measure of winrate is because otherwise any bet would be a rungood contest unless it was over 300k+ hands.


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or you can compare SSing 5-10 to fullstacking 1-2 and compare winrates and standard deviations based on $/100h rather than bbs. i would bet that 1-2 has less variance with higher winrates.
i'd be happy to make this bet. how many hands should we do it over and how much do you want to bet? i'll even lay 2 to 1.

i don't see any reason not to use EV instead of winrate (nor should anyone that understands what the EV line is), but if you insist on using winrate we'll have to make this a pretty long term bet

Last edited by stinkypete; 10-13-2010 at 07:08 PM.
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10-13-2010 , 08:44 PM
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i'd be happy to make this bet. how many hands should we do it over and how much do you want to bet? i'll even lay 2 to 1.
you read anything i wrote other than the parts that were jokes? i think you missed the point. i was basically saying that you need to change it BIs not bbs to make your argument applicable.

i will put my $1 up to your $2. (the stakes weigh in so we dont need an escrow and it is all in comradery anyways.)

this is my SHPLO200 since 2-27 when i stopped 24 tabling PLO200 and there is a grand total of maybe 2k 20-50bb hands in there which i bought into for the max.



in $ = $13.62/100 and $296.52/100. so my number dividing WR by std dev is $0.04593282


FWIW: i know you are a good player and i can see why you enjoy AIEV so much. and i agree when dealing in smaller sample sizes, but as you said "unless it is over 300k hands"...i have played well over 300k hands since 8-1 and 1m on the year by the end of this month so i dont see it as important to my winrates. i either win, or i do not. and i went to best buy trying to spend FPPs and sklansky bucks one day but they politely called the cops and told me to put the big screen down.
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10-13-2010 , 09:10 PM
booked.




ship the $1.

this is all my hands, but if you want to wait until i reach 300k before you ship thats ok too
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10-13-2010 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
booked.




ship the $1.

this is all my hands, but if you want to wait until i reach 300k before you ship thats ok too
very well done. but i feel you should do the math. and i wouldnt mind seeing 300k hands but the dollar will be shipped when im done playing. i forget remind me.

Last edited by dickkemp; 10-13-2010 at 09:33 PM.
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10-13-2010 , 09:39 PM
if we were comparing BIs though you see my point that you you have considerably more variance.
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10-13-2010 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dickkemp
if we were comparing BIs though you see my point that you you have considerably more variance.
it's obviously not surprising that with equal stack sizes ($200) the person playing with $5/$10 blinds is gonna have higher variance than the person playing with $1/$2 blinds. but that's irrelevant, what matters is the winrate to SD ratio. that should in theory also be better with deeper stacks, but when opponents play like ******s with short stacks and slightly less ******ed with big stacks it's not necessarily the case.
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10-13-2010 , 10:26 PM
beat- lost my entire db of hands after getting my pos comp fixed


also lost 25k yesterday and have a chest infection
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10-14-2010 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
it's obviously not surprising that with equal stack sizes ($200) the person playing with $5/$10 blinds is gonna have higher variance than the person playing with $1/$2 blinds. but that's irrelevant, what matters is the winrate to SD ratio. that should in theory also be better with deeper stacks, but when opponents play like ******s with short stacks and slightly less ******ed with big stacks it's not necessarily the case.
everything you just said, it is also hilarious how much softer the short tables are.
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10-14-2010 , 01:29 AM


You gotta love plo. All hands at 5/10. How can I not tilt in this session ? hehe
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10-14-2010 , 02:23 AM
running that bad and winning a buyin is running pretty dam good imo
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